Do You Think The Bible Is True(Self Evident)

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29 Dec 2013, 10:11 pm

The bible is indeed self evident. As we can see there is no way there can be life without a super natural diety
"Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals," Genesis 1:25

We were created in God's image. Now if we go to the New Testament we can see a warning about false teachers and false prophets

The bible has its own internal consistency such as the prophecies of Jesus
I Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

and the prophecie of the return of Jesus Christ in Revelation

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Matthew 7:15 Jesus warns us of that. Like a false prophet today is Benny Henn

For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. 2 Peter 2:1-3 Some false teachers today are Billy Graham, The Catholic Church, John Macarthur, and Hank Hannegraph

Now why wont some people believe in God?
well because God blinds people/hardens hearts and this is Scary!

John 12:40
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

2 Thessalonians 2 10-12
10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness

Exodus 9:12
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.

Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."

Mark 4:12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

So what should we do?
Turn to the Lord and the viel will be removed

but not everyone will be saved as Matthew 7:13-14 states most go to hell
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14

but the point of this post is to point out the Bible is indeed a super natural book



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29 Dec 2013, 10:35 pm

seaweasel wrote:
The bible is indeed self evident. As we can see there is no way there can be life without a super natural diety
"Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals," Genesis 1:25


How did he tell this to a human, so it could be recorded in Genesis 1:25 - BEFORE he created humans ?



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29 Dec 2013, 10:37 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
seaweasel wrote:
The bible is indeed self evident. As we can see there is no way there can be life without a super natural diety
"Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals," Genesis 1:25


How did he tell this to a human, so it could be recorded in Genesis 1:25 - BEFORE he created humans ?


God had men write the bible using the holy spirit(2 Peter 1:21)



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29 Dec 2013, 10:39 pm

seaweasel wrote:
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seaweasel wrote:
The bible is indeed self evident. As we can see there is no way there can be life without a super natural diety
"Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals," Genesis 1:25


How did he tell this to a human, so it could be recorded in Genesis 1:25 - BEFORE he created humans ?


God had men write the bible using the holy spirit(2 Peter 1:21)


Ok. However, that did not answer the question. At the time GOD said, "Let us make mankind ..", humans did not exist.

So, how could the above quotation have ever been recorded?

Are you saying, later on , the holy spirit recited a word for word conversation GOD had ? If so, then who was GOD speaking to in Genesis 1:25?



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29 Dec 2013, 10:47 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
seaweasel wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
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The bible is indeed self evident. As we can see there is no way there can be life without a super natural diety
"Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals," Genesis 1:25


How did he tell this to a human, so it could be recorded in Genesis 1:25 - BEFORE he created humans ?


God had men write the bible using the holy spirit(2 Peter 1:21)


Ok. However, that did not answer the question. At the time GOD said, "Let us make mankind ..", humans did not exist.

So, how could the above quotation have ever been recorded?

Are you saying, later on , the holy spirit recited a word for word conversation GOD had ? If so, then who was GOD speaking to in Genesis 1:25?



I am not sure how that happened but God commands us not to lean on our own understanding and this might be the reason why i am in my current state because i was doing that first God says

Trust in the Lord with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5-6

his ways are not our ways



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29 Dec 2013, 10:49 pm

seaweasel wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
seaweasel wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
seaweasel wrote:
The bible is indeed self evident. As we can see there is no way there can be life without a super natural diety
"Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals," Genesis 1:25


How did he tell this to a human, so it could be recorded in Genesis 1:25 - BEFORE he created humans ?


God had men write the bible using the holy spirit(2 Peter 1:21)


Ok. However, that did not answer the question. At the time GOD said, "Let us make mankind ..", humans did not exist.

So, how could the above quotation have ever been recorded?

Are you saying, later on , the holy spirit recited a word for word conversation GOD had ? If so, then who was GOD speaking to in Genesis 1:25?



I am not sure how that happened but God commands us not to lean on our own understanding and this might be the reason why i am in my current state because i was doing that first God says



Ok. Until you can answer inconsistencies then I think people will doubt the "self-evidence" you claimed in your first statement.



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29 Dec 2013, 10:56 pm

Pi = 3 is off by over 4.5%

The Earth is more than 6017 years old.

The Sun does not orbit the Earth.

The Earth is round, not flat.

If any part of the Bible is to be taken metaphorically, then the Bible is not 100% factual. If the Bible is 100% factual, then there are no metaphors in the Bible.

"God works in mysterious ways" is a useful dodge when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict between what the Bible SAYS and what they WISH it said.



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29 Dec 2013, 10:56 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
seaweasel wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
seaweasel wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
seaweasel wrote:
The bible is indeed self evident. As we can see there is no way there can be life without a super natural diety
"Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals," Genesis 1:25


How did he tell this to a human, so it could be recorded in Genesis 1:25 - BEFORE he created humans ?


God had men write the bible using the holy spirit(2 Peter 1:21)


Ok. However, that did not answer the question. At the time GOD said, "Let us make mankind ..", humans did not exist.

So, how could the above quotation have ever been recorded?

Are you saying, later on , the holy spirit recited a word for word conversation GOD had ? If so, then who was GOD speaking to in Genesis 1:25?



I am not sure how that happened but God commands us not to lean on our own understanding and this might be the reason why i am in my current state because i was doing that first God says



Ok. Until you can answer inconsistencies then I think people will doubt the "self-evidence" you claimed in your first statement.


That is some parts i posted that make the bible self evident. The false prophet warning from jesus should be enough. Look at Benny Hinn and his failed propheices



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29 Dec 2013, 10:58 pm

Which translation of the Bible is the most accurate?



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29 Dec 2013, 10:58 pm

The Bible shows that wind actually has weight. The Bible stated the wind has weight in the book of job chapter 28.
“To establish a weight for the wind,
And apportion the waters by measure.” – Job 28:25
The wind having weight in science wasn’t proven until 300 years ago or so, yet the Bible proved it before. Without getting into detail and not to trust man (it is a curse to trust man Jeremiah 17:5), It is claimed that Evangelista Torricelli was the person that to discover that the air has weight. The Bible was the first to say that Wind has weight, then 300 years ago science proved it.
In the book of Ecclesiastes, it describes the wind cycles and it’s actually accurate. Of course people had to wait for science to prove this in the 1940s when jet streams were discovered (according to Wikipedia). This verse can be found in the first chapter of Ecclesiastes. Here is the verse that describes the wind cycle.
Blowing toward the south, Then turning toward the north, The wind continues swirling along; And on its circular courses the wind returns. Ecclesiastes 1:6


I was originally confused on this verse, but actually it means the wind is constantly blowing north and south basically up and down, and it goes on a circular course around the world.

The Bible stated that blood in us is what gives us life in Leviticus 17:11
“For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.” Leviticus 17:11
How obvious is it that we need blood for our survival? The blood is our lifeline as it circulates essential oxygen to our cells to keep us alive. Of course man’s breath is God’s breathe which ultimately keeps us alive.

Now about circumcision, Notice how the Bible says this about circumcision?
“He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised. Every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring,” Genesis 17:12
There is actually a good reason why God ordered people to wait 8 days. The reason why God says for this to happen is because it’s because the infants blood clotting ability does not peak until 8 days(well according to science https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcont ... ticle=1118) the most interesting aspect of that article I can is this(not saying it is true but it must be if God commanded us to get circumcised on the eighth day of our life “On the eighth day, the amount of prothrombin present actually is elevated above one-hundred percent of normal—and is the only day in the male’s life in which this will be the case under normal conditions.” Interesting how our body has its peak ability for us to have our blood clotting ability to be at its peak for only one day which is the eighth day of our life.



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29 Dec 2013, 11:00 pm

Fnord wrote:
Which translation of the Bible is the most accurate?


the greek/Hebrew texts

the New American Standard Version and English Standard Version are essentially literal translations. Meaning they aim to perserve the orginal writings as literal as possible

the NIV/NLT are called dynamic translations in which they are easier to read



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29 Dec 2013, 11:03 pm

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Which translation of the Bible is the most accurate?


the greek/Hebrew texts

No Aramaic or Latin?

Pity ... nothing allegedly said in the native languages of Jesus or Pilate could ever be counted as 'Gospel'...



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Fnord wrote:
Pi = 3 is off by over 4.5%

The Earth is more than 6017 years old.

The Sun does not orbit the Earth.

The Earth is round, not flat.

If any part of the Bible is to be taken metaphorically, then the Bible is not 100% factual. If the Bible is 100% factual, then there are no metaphors in the Bible.

"God works in mysterious ways" is a useful dodge when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict between what the Bible SAYS and what they WISH it said.


its actually a curse to trust in men and not the Lord(Jeremiah 17:5)



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29 Dec 2013, 11:05 pm

Fnord wrote:
seaweasel wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Which translation of the Bible is the most accurate?


the greek/Hebrew texts

No Aramaic or Latin?

Pity ... nothing allegedly said in the native languages of Jesus or Pilate could ever be counted as 'Gospel'...


i am not an expert in the orginal translations but i have heard jesus did speak aramaic if my memory serves me correct



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29 Dec 2013, 11:05 pm

seaweasel wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Pi = 3 is off by over 4.5%

The Earth is more than 6017 years old.

The Sun does not orbit the Earth.

The Earth is round, not flat.

If any part of the Bible is to be taken metaphorically, then the Bible is not 100% factual. If the Bible is 100% factual, then there are no metaphors in the Bible.

"God works in mysterious ways" is a useful dodge when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict between what the Bible SAYS and what they WISH it said.


its actually a curse to trust in men and not the Lord(Jeremiah 17:5)

... another clever dodge ... Catholic or Jehovah's Witness?



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29 Dec 2013, 11:07 pm

The Bible contradicts itself many places and a literal reading of Genesis is falsified by the evidence of the physical world. Also, Jesus did not fulfill ANY of the very specific prophecies required in the Jewish Old Testament to be their Messiah, not ONE. Christians claim Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophecies but He didn't fulfill the very specific ones required to be the Jewish Messiah. Most if not all of the other "prophecies" quoted by Christians are based on mistranslations or misinterpretations of the Jewish scriptures, or sometimes on making something a "prophecy" after it happens for a good story.

That's on top of there being very little evidence outside the Bible itself that Jesus ever even existed as a historical personage, much less that He performed the miracles claimed or rose from the dead, or that He is divine.

The biggest problem I have with taking the Bible as "true" is the insistence by so many Christians that evolution can't possibly happen just because the way they interpret the Bible (reading Genesis literally) makes it so in their minds it can't possibly happen. Such blatant denial of reality is insanity so far as I am concerned. It is just as crazy as to insist that the earth is really flat in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

Evolution has more evidence of more different types all pointing to the same reality than any other scientific idea I know of, yet this evidence is ignored, denied or distorted by so-called Christian web sites that spread distortions and falsehoods in the name of God. So how am I supposed to be able to trust these people's opinions on spiritual matters when they are so very obviously wrong about something like evolution that has so much evidence so easily checked showing they are wrong about it?

Granted that MOST Christians worldwide belong to denominations that do NOT deny the fact of evolution, or say it doesn't matter to their faith. But based on the tone of your post, it seems likely you might belong to the literal fundamentalist school of interpretation. Do you?


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