Dear Democrats: Take back your party while you still can.

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09 Dec 2016, 12:46 am

Seriously, there is a huge difference between the beliefs of ordinary Democrats and the beliefs of elite Democrats. Most Democrats hate war and yet the party is run by the megacorporate war industry. Most Democrats want to tax the rich and feed the poor ... but their party is run by people who want to make the rich richer and keep everyone else down. Those monsters screwed over Bernie Sanders! Sanders is a guy who represents the beliefs of typical democrats.

Dear Democrats: Remember that democracy isn't just something that happens during election season. It is always happening. If you want to beat Trump in 2020, you must remake your party. It must be remade into an anti-war party for democratic socialists.

The everyday Democratics are progressive but the party is conservative. The Republicans are reactionary extremists. Pay no attention to the "moderates" who call you "anarchist punks". You have 4 years to remake the party from the ground up before the next election. The clock is ticking. Make your choice.

tick tock tick tock

Several other people are already saying this and I don't care. This needs to be said a million more times. The fate of the human species is literally at stake.

Remember when the left had a populist edge? Pepperidge Farm remembers.


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09 Dec 2016, 2:41 am

Like most politicians, Sanders wants tax increases on the poor and middle class.

However, rather than lieing like the others, he twists it around like it's a good thing.

The Democrats need to repudiate people like Sanders and stick with conservative-type people like Clinton who actually got the plurality of votes in 2016.

The demographic changes are favoring Democrats, don't ruin it.



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09 Dec 2016, 11:48 am

I've seen no willingness on their part to change, the evidence of genuine opposition would be challenging and not supporting the establishment Democratic politicians. Democrats have very few fresh faces, it's just the same tired party it always was. Progressivism is religious dogma, it's impossible for them to respectfully disagree or to compromise with others. They are moralists who demand everybody think like them, it is a fundamentally authoritarian mindset. We need more genuine liberals(in the actual meaning of the word), more genuine populists, Democrats need find the big tent message and not engage in divisive identity politics. Declaring yourself morally superior and scientifically correct is not a democratic belief, that is a position totally intolerant of dissent. Democrats fell victim of groupthink which blinded and disconnected them from the rest of America.



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09 Dec 2016, 12:12 pm

We need someone who will shift the tax burden to the rich. That's what we need more than anything.

Some people might say "The rich create jobs." I think that the government should create jobs instead.

Some people might say "The government is bad at everything it does." That's because the government is manipulated through bribery and lobbying. Our government is controlled by a few ultra-wealthy merchants. That's the real reason why it is so "bad at everything".

A democratic government is supposed to represent the will of the people.

“Merchant and pirate were for a long period one and the same person. Even today mercantile morality is really nothing but a refinement of piratical morality.”
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09 Dec 2016, 12:29 pm

The Democrats have to reconnect with the working class whites who had once been the cornerstone of their party, and start fighting for workers rights again, rather than letting the right, who has always sold them out to big business, represent them.


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09 Dec 2016, 12:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
The Democrats have to reconnect with the working class whites who had once been the cornerstone of their party, and start fighting for workers rights again, rather than letting the right, who has always sold them out to big business, represent them.


Populism: It just works!


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09 Dec 2016, 1:20 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Seriously, there is a huge difference between the beliefs of ordinary Democrats and the beliefs of elite Democrats. Most Democrats hate war and yet the party is run by the megacorporate war industry. Most Democrats want to tax the rich and feed the poor ... but their party is run by people who want to make the rich richer and keep everyone else down. Those monsters screwed over Bernie Sanders! Sanders is a guy who represents the beliefs of typical democrats.

Dear Democrats: Remember that democracy isn't just something that happens during election season. It is always happening. If you want to beat Trump in 2020, you must remake your party. It must be remade into an anti-war party for democratic socialists.

The everyday Democratics are progressive but the party is conservative. The Republicans are reactionary extremists. Pay no attention to the "moderates" who call you "anarchist punks". You have 4 years to remake the party from the ground up before the next election. The clock is ticking. Make your choice.

tick tock tick tock

Several other people are already saying this and I don't care. This needs to be said a million more times. The fate of the human species is literally at stake.

Remember when the left had a populist edge? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

The problem is big money supports the center-right (Hillary DNC) and reactionary right (RNC). Money owns the political parties. That's why Hillary was rammed down our throats. The only way we will ever have an actual progressive party is if we get money out of politics. It's that simple. So long as billionaires who don't want progress bribe government, there will be no change.



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09 Dec 2016, 1:25 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
We need someone who will shift the tax burden to the rich. That's what we need more than anything.

Some people might say "The rich create jobs." I think that the government should create jobs instead.

Some people might say "The government is bad at everything it does." That's because the government is manipulated through bribery and lobbying. Our government is controlled by a few ultra-wealthy merchants. That's the real reason why it is so "bad at everything".

A democratic government is supposed to represent the will of the people.

“Merchant and pirate were for a long period one and the same person. Even today mercantile morality is really nothing but a refinement of piratical morality.”
- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

These views just prove that the education system in this country has completely failed and the goal of the education system is to brainwash and control students rather than teach them to think critically.



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09 Dec 2016, 1:31 pm

Bataar wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
We need someone who will shift the tax burden to the rich. That's what we need more than anything.

Some people might say "The rich create jobs." I think that the government should create jobs instead.

Some people might say "The government is bad at everything it does." That's because the government is manipulated through bribery and lobbying. Our government is controlled by a few ultra-wealthy merchants. That's the real reason why it is so "bad at everything".

A democratic government is supposed to represent the will of the people.

“Merchant and pirate were for a long period one and the same person. Even today mercantile morality is really nothing but a refinement of piratical morality.”
- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

These views just prove that the education system in this country has completely failed and the goal of the education system is to brainwash and control students rather than teach them to think critically.

A perfect example of a conservative being as insulting as liberals/progressives supposedly are. I am not f*****g brainwashed. My views are arrived at through THINKING. You should try it some time.



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09 Dec 2016, 1:32 pm

marshall wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Seriously, there is a huge difference between the beliefs of ordinary Democrats and the beliefs of elite Democrats. Most Democrats hate war and yet the party is run by the megacorporate war industry. Most Democrats want to tax the rich and feed the poor ... but their party is run by people who want to make the rich richer and keep everyone else down. Those monsters screwed over Bernie Sanders! Sanders is a guy who represents the beliefs of typical democrats.

Dear Democrats: Remember that democracy isn't just something that happens during election season. It is always happening. If you want to beat Trump in 2020, you must remake your party. It must be remade into an anti-war party for democratic socialists.

The everyday Democratics are progressive but the party is conservative. The Republicans are reactionary extremists. Pay no attention to the "moderates" who call you "anarchist punks". You have 4 years to remake the party from the ground up before the next election. The clock is ticking. Make your choice.

tick tock tick tock

Several other people are already saying this and I don't care. This needs to be said a million more times. The fate of the human species is literally at stake.

Remember when the left had a populist edge? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

The problem is big money supports the center-right (Hillary DNC) and reactionary right (RNC). Money owns the political parties. That's why Hillary was rammed down our throats. The only way we will ever have an actual progressive party is if we get money out of politics. It's that simple. So long as billionaires who don't want progress bribe government, there will be no change.


No amount of money can suppress a populist uprising.
People are losing faith in the corporate media. Thus, many people are using "alternative news sites" like Infowars. I don't agree with Infowars on most issues, but I still consider them to be a stepping stone towards the real truth.

Bataar also made a good point. The education system needs to be remade too. I'm not talking about pseudoscientific creationist crap. I'm saying that we need to remake the way history and civics are taught.

The real liars in the schools are the history teachers and civics teachers, not the science teachers.


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09 Dec 2016, 2:11 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
No amount of money can suppress a populist uprising.
People are losing faith in the corporate media. Thus, many people are using "alternative news sites" like Infowars. I don't agree with Infowars on most issues, but I still consider them to be a stepping stone towards the real truth.

As long as the populace has this uniquely American unwavering faith in capitalism, we are doomed. No one on the conservative side will ever question the notion that the unrestrained free market is "moral" and "good". They will continue to blame the problem on government interference in markets through "unnecessary" regulation, illegal and legal immigration of "undesirables", an increase in "laziness" of the populace as evidenced by increased reliance on "government handouts", etc... They will never admit that it is unrestrained capitalism itself that leads to wealth slowly funneling up to the very top. The problem is global capitalism. If nobody can realize what the problem is any kind of populism is doomed to fail. To be honest, I don't think even someone like Bernie Sanders is truly equipped to fix a problem of such scale. I'm afraid the truth of the matter is the west is going to be f****d. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. We will have to get used to it somehow. There is no quick fix. The 1950s are not coming back.

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Bataar also made a good point. The education system needs to be remade too. I'm not talking about pseudoscientific creationist crap. I'm saying that we need to remake the way history and civics are taught.

The real liars in the schools are the history teachers and civics teachers, not the science teachers.

To be honest, I have more respect for people who come up with their diagnosis through their own thought. The problem is even if people are "educated" with the correct "facts", education doesn't necessarily teach people how to think. Even people who are capable of thinking often prefer not to it seems.



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09 Dec 2016, 3:07 pm

marshall wrote:
Bataar wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
We need someone who will shift the tax burden to the rich. That's what we need more than anything.

Some people might say "The rich create jobs." I think that the government should create jobs instead.

Some people might say "The government is bad at everything it does." That's because the government is manipulated through bribery and lobbying. Our government is controlled by a few ultra-wealthy merchants. That's the real reason why it is so "bad at everything".

A democratic government is supposed to represent the will of the people.

“Merchant and pirate were for a long period one and the same person. Even today mercantile morality is really nothing but a refinement of piratical morality.”
- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

These views just prove that the education system in this country has completely failed and the goal of the education system is to brainwash and control students rather than teach them to think critically.

A perfect example of a conservative being as insulting as liberals/progressives supposedly are. I am not f*****g brainwashed. My views are arrived at through THINKING. You should try it some time.

I wasn't insulting you, but the general educational system. If one has the thoughts of the person I quoted, they obviously haven't been taught history very well. If he wants the government to provide the jobs, that means the government would have to have an extremely high level control over pretty much everything. Show me where that has worked out well for any country that has tried it.



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09 Dec 2016, 3:09 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
We need someone who will shift the tax burden to the rich. That's what we need more than anything.

Some people might say "The rich create jobs." I think that the government should create jobs instead.

Some people might say "The government is bad at everything it does." That's because the government is manipulated through bribery and lobbying. Our government is controlled by a few ultra-wealthy merchants. That's the real reason why it is so "bad at everything".

A democratic government is supposed to represent the will of the people.

“Merchant and pirate were for a long period one and the same person. Even today mercantile morality is really nothing but a refinement of piratical morality.”
- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


The us is a republic which protects the people from majority mob rule.
The populace can be swayed. One day polls say majority want gun bans, then week later its back to most people opposing it. The polls probably biased, but say their true. People get emotional, emotional people do t think straight and make rash bad decisions. It's why we don't let victims trial the accused. It's why military commanders who are too emotional to make good decisions are dismissed. Look when you get angry or upset you say things you later regret. Do you really want important decisions to be made by the majority that's being mislead while their emotional?
That's why we have a republic. So the minority isn't marched off to camps or treated as sub human. Remember the majority was for slavery, the majority was for treating free blacks as 2nd class citizens. The majority has elected genocidal dictators in other countries. Mob rule is terrible thing unless your in the mob,
FYI, the majority were for the patriot act, for the wars in Afghan and iraq, the majority has been for a lot of horrible stuff. Freak the majority



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09 Dec 2016, 3:42 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The Democrats have to reconnect with the working class whites who had once been the cornerstone of their party, and start fighting for workers rights again, rather than letting the right, who has always sold them out to big business, represent them.


Populism: It just works!


Not populism, just reclaiming a key demographic.


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09 Dec 2016, 3:52 pm

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Like most politicians, Sanders wants tax increases on the poor and middle class.

However, rather than lieing like the others, he twists it around like it's a good thing.

The Democrats need to repudiate people like Sanders and stick with conservative-type people like Clinton who actually got the plurality of votes in 2016.

The demographic changes are favoring Democrats, don't ruin it.


Where do you get that? Pretty sure he wanted to increase taxes on the very wealthy, not poor and middle class.


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09 Dec 2016, 5:33 pm

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Where do you get that? Pretty sure he wanted to increase taxes on the very wealthy, not poor and middle class.

Sanders proposed:
-a 2.2% health care tax on workers
-a 6.2% health care tax on employers
-a 0.2% "family leave" tax on workers

So, 8.6% new taxes on workers.