If Russia helped Trump win, what exactly did they do?

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02 Apr 2017, 2:21 pm

The Democrats and the Lame Stream Media keep arguing that Team Trump worked with Russia to help Trump win. However, they have yet, as far as I know, to say exactly what Russia did to help Trump win. I can think of a few things the Left did to try and help Hillary win illegally (Like President Obama telling illegals to go out and vote for one.)

I did notice a while back that the government was saying that they were thinking of declaring the elections as "critical infrastructure" to protect them from foreign attacks. Interestingly, they ended up doing such between the time Trump won and the time Obama left. So perhaps the real motive of the Left was to nationalize our elections and they just keep up this Russia lie in the hopes of trying to weaken the Republicans so that they can get back in power in 2020 and use the nationalized elections to make them a one party dictatorship like Russia or China.


As for collaborating with Russia, I think Ted Kennedy did FAR WORSE than anything they accuse Flynn of, yet he got away with it since he's a Democrat: http://dailysignal.com/2016/12/14/ted-kennedy-made-secret-overtures-to-russia-to-prevent-ronald-reagans-re-election/


As for Obama complaining about a foreign country messing with our elections, he's not one to talk: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

And speaking of deals with Russia, what about this: http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/russia-scandal-inside-the-obama-clinton-uranium-deal/



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02 Apr 2017, 3:20 pm

Well, if the Russians can cause all that, then, okay, maybe it was the Russians.

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There are other things that probably made a difference. The press obsession with Clinton's emails was one. The mediocre economic environment was another. Clinton's surprisingly poor showing among unmarried men is yet another. And we can add to this some questionable campaign decisions by the Clinton team. But remember: Despite all this, Clinton won the popular vote by about 1.5 percentage points. Neither she nor her agenda were roundly rejected by America.

In the end, then, I basically put the onus for Clinton's defeat on bitter Bernie, crooked Comey, and the wounded working class. They turned a landslide into a close win, which the Electoral College then turned into a defeat. For what it's worth, I also blame our country's apparent indifference toward racism and sexism. I'm not sure that either one of them drove a large number of votes, but there's no question that a big chunk of America looked at a voraciously racist and misogynistic campaign from Donald Trump and decided to shrug it off. It just wasn't important to them. That's as disheartening as anything else that happened this year.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2 ... king-class

Or maybe it was aliens directing the Russians to use mind control to make her undermine her own message?
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Better messaging

“Stronger Together”? “I’m with Her”? Neither of these Clinton slogans told voters what she would do as president, and truth be told, the second one handed Trump the perfect populist comeback: “I’m with you.”

Both Trump and Sanders had slogans that screamed change. For Sanders, it was, “A Political Revolution is Coming.” Trump’s “Make America Great Again” has earned a permanent place in American political culture, and on the millions of hats and T-shirts his supporters wore. Like Obama’s “Hope and Change,” it could mean many things, allowing voters to project their hopes onto their favored candidate.

For Clinton, the unclear messaging spoke to a deeper question about what her candidacy was really about. Was she running for Obama’s third term? As the candidate of experience? As the history-making first woman president?

At a time of stagnant wages and a decline in good jobs, Americans were looking for a strong economic message, a promise to keep the nation safe, and a shakeup of the Washington establishment. The last part, in particular, seemed impossible for Clinton to deliver.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2 ... ary-s-loss

And oh, yeah, almost forgot this 2015 article which is obviously a Russian fake news plant; if Joseph Mulkerin isn't a name straight from the Kremlin then nothing is. Come on Russians, next time plant news using less Russian-y sounding name, oh, something like Krankheyt for example.
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Ever since the 2012 election results were certified, the conventional wisdom has been that Hillary Clinton is all but guaranteed a coronation in the 2016 primaries. She has racked up a series of endorsements from prominent Democrats. ...
It is possible that this high degree of support may result more from the perception that she is inevitable rather than from widespread substantive agreement with many of her policies, because upon close examination, there is a litany of positions she's taken that many on the left would find highly problematic.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/2 ... ry-clinton


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02 Apr 2017, 3:27 pm

I'd like a source for President Obama having told 'illegals' to vote for Hillary I don't recall anything like that, as far as I can tell an illegal immigrant couldn't vote because they wouldn't be able to confirm their identity and citizenship things you have to do to vote. So I'll have to call B.S on that one

I do know that democratic party did its best to work against Bernie getting the nomination in favor of Hillary.


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02 Apr 2017, 3:55 pm

It's total nonsense and bold faced lie they keep repeating in the media, Russia apparently "hacked the election" by John Podesta being an idiot falling for a standard phishing email years ago and using "password" as password. The DNC servers were supposedly targeted, they say the techniques used were from Russian intelligence service but Wikileaks has exposed how this is totally bogus and that there is no way to determine who did what because it possible to mask an attempt as coming from somewhere else and these tools have been available to criminals for some time now. That's all that really amounts to any of these accusations, no proof of wrongdoing just that Russia dislike Hillary Clinton which is kind of like no s**t. Trump has been exhaustively investigated, if there was anything and I mean anything it would of been exposed at this point and probably before the election but there's nothing for them to even desperately grab on to except this totally fabricated Russia narrative.



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02 Apr 2017, 6:10 pm

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I'd like a source for President Obama having told 'illegals' to vote for Hillary I don't recall anything like that, as far as I can tell an illegal immigrant couldn't vote because they wouldn't be able to confirm their identity and citizenship things you have to do to vote. So I'll have to call B.S on that one

I do know that democratic party did its best to work against Bernie getting the nomination in favor of Hillary.

It is based on this interview https://youtu.be/oLLt-a6dI_0


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03 Apr 2017, 5:58 pm

I did have the chance to listen to Sam Harris's Waking Up Podcast #69 with Ann Applebaum where she was talking at length about this not being a conspiracy theory for this particular reason - that Russia has been trying to meddle in everyone's elections across Europe and in other places and their behavior is almost carbon copy.

I've shied away from party and leadership politics just because so much of what's out there is pretty bad in terms of mud slinging and, regrettably, it seems like no matter how cogent one side of the story tells you find out that while the first story you heard had facts in alignment you discover that it was a one-sided disclosure, out of proportion with the rest of the facts, etc..

I don't know what to make of it - whether the Russians really made this happen or whether they just got more people who would have voted Trump anyway out to vote. The nature of it, ie. a foreign power swaying elections is no more dishonest than some of the stuff that ACORN and the like were doing - it's just more shocking in the sense that this isn't some type of left-leaning activist group without leaders; it's a nation state swooping in. Also - our hands obviously aren't clean. Obama as I remember had people running around Israel to vote against Netanyahu and it wouldn't surprise me if we've been rolling in the mud a lot longer.


Point being - I think we need to work on having a more self-disciplined media. When they cried wolf so many times that people tuned them out they just kept crying wolf louder. I don't care who they dislike, to lose their credibility means people will get their news in even stranger places and it means that civic reality breaks down, which is an ideal time for a foreign power to jump into the chaos and guide it the way they want to. If anything this should just show us our own stupidity and how much we have to fix on our own soil.


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04 Apr 2017, 7:03 am

I think this matter will always be one of conjecture, wispy circumstantial/anecdotal evidence, innuendo and a lot of sensationalism.

Nevertheless there's probably millions of people who have "the Russians helped Trump win the election" permanently ingrained in their minds.



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04 Apr 2017, 7:21 am

EzraS wrote:
Nevertheless there's probably millions of people who have "the Russians helped Trump win the election" permanently ingrained in their minds.
Which might be enough to accomplish whatever the mission might be, if there indeed is one.


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04 Apr 2017, 7:43 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Nevertheless there's probably millions of people who have "the Russians helped Trump win the election" permanently ingrained in their minds.
Which might be enough to accomplish whatever the mission might be, if there indeed is one.


I don't think it sounds too far fetched from a propaganda aspect.

Trump = Russia = evil out to get us booga booga = paranoia.



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04 Apr 2017, 7:25 pm

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04 Apr 2017, 7:27 pm

Now that is high-larry-us! :lol:


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04 Apr 2017, 7:30 pm

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Not only that, it's been proven that "MAGA" is a coded Russian abbreviation for "Must get moose and squirrel."


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04 Apr 2017, 7:35 pm

Oh, this involving Russians and US Presidential candidates just popped back up from the depths of the memory.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... -veterans/

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September 12, 2012
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Organizers of last week's Democratic National Convention apologized today for accidentally showing an image of the Russian navy during a tribute to U.S. veterans.

Soviet-era Russian warships were projected on a big screen above veterans as they stood on the convention stage last Thursday while retired Adm. John Nathman delivered remarks honoring those who serve.

"Due to vendor error, incorrect images appeared briefly on screen behind fifty-one veterans during the convention and the DNCC apologizes for this mistake," the Democratic National Convention Committee said in a written statement to the Navy Times. "This error should not distract from the words of Admiral Nathman and others who spoke to President Obama's strong record on issues that impact those who have served our nation."

At times I wonder if that was a Freudian ship.


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04 Apr 2017, 7:54 pm

The people who testified in front of the House and Senate laid all of this out in their testimony. There is no if, every one of our intelligence agencies have said that Russia did exactly that.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... on-tactics

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All the witnesses stressed the magnitude of the Russian disinformation campaign not only in the U.S. but Europe as well. Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the ranking Democrat on the committee, called it Russian propaganda "on steroids." Committee chairman Sen. Richard Burr said the problem is going to require a global response.

Eugene Rumer from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace said the Russian work is not always conducted in the shadows.

"That Russian effort is before us in plain sight — in state-sponsored propaganda broadcasts on RT (Russia Today) in countless internet trolls, fake or distorted news spread by fake news services," Rumer said.

Watts also said no one is talking about the cache of information that Russia still has.

"They hacked 3,000 to 4,000 people. This hacking was pervasive," Watts said, lamenting how the American people have focused too much on the election season hack of the Democratic National Committee. "They have our information" and could use it later for political purposes."


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Watts said all the Republican candidates, including Trump, were targets of the disinformation campaign.

"If you added it up, I would say it's probably 90 for, 10 percent against" Trump, Watts told reporters after the hearing. "This is out of a three-year snapshot. They (the Russians) were promoting him at such a volume that it drowns out other organic support for the other Republican candidates.


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Watts, who fears for his own safety for speaking out on Russian activities, urged the committee to "follow the dead bodies." He said Russians tied to the investigation into Kremlin disinformation activities have been killed in the past three months — not only in Russia, but in western countries as well.



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04 Apr 2017, 8:44 pm

If this was a script for a movie, it would be rejected due to lack of plausibility.



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04 Apr 2017, 8:47 pm

EzraS wrote:
If this was a script for a movie, it would be rejected due to lack of plausibility.


Hmm... Who to trust? Random internet guy or ex intelligence officials testifying under oath? Gee that's a tough one. :roll: