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pawelk1986
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16 Dec 2022, 8:29 am

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I can see from your profile that you are quite old, so you probably have more life experience than me, but if you are on a website for people with Aspergers, you probably also have Aspergers

Yes I do. Medium level, late diagnosis.

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I'm wondering if we have people with autism, if someone is already on the autism spectrum, does it increase the chances that they also have another psychological disorder?

Some research suggests a greater prevalence of some psych disorders in Aspies, particularly those who were diagnosed late, but I don't know how seriously to take it. I've not personally had anybody specifically test me for anything but ASD, but I asked my ASD diagnostician who replied that she'd probably have noticed if I had anything serious. Anxiety and depression seem to be the commonest, but I've never been clinically depressed and my occasional anxiety is relatively mild and mostly seems caused by having to do things that Aspies could be expected to feel anxious about, so I don't view that as a separate clinical condition in me. I've also heard ADHD is common in Aspies but I suspect it's hard to tell in many cases what attention problems are purely down to ASD and which are truly ADHD, because it's a common ASD trait to have a lot of trouble paying attention to things we're not naturally interested in. But I don't know much about ADHD so I'm only speculating. If I seriously thought I had non-ASD attention problems then I might look into a diagnosis, but I've not seen any evidence, in my own case. Certainly I'm not clinically impulsive, my temper is under better control than most, I don't strain people's patience very much AFAIK, I don't miss appointments, I did quite well academically and in jobs, and I'm quite good at solving problems.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... c-20350883
It's also said to be difficult to diagnose in adults and I suspect good diagnosticians are rare.

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For example, my friend who has both autism and ADHD also has oppositional defiant disorder sometimes I think I have it too

Sometimes I also think that someone with authority will set some rule that everyone has to stick to because that's how this person came up with it and that's how it's supposed to be, then I, like my friend, sometimes want to show my middle finger and say "f**k you and your rules!" :twisted: :mrgreen:

I don't know much about ODD, and I'm suspicious of it because resistance to authority is said to be part of it, which raises the question, who decides when an authority deserves to be obeyed? Aspies often have problems with authority figures in any case, perhaps because we think more independently than NTs. I suppose for ODD to be an actual condition there would have to be more evidence than the occasional bit of defiant hot air from an adult. I know (and know of) many people who I think would willingly bring down a government that wasn't of their own political persuasion if they knew how to. I myself would do that to the UK Tory Party if I could. But if you or your friend showed a lot of the symptoms listed here:
https://exploringyourmind.com/oppositio ... in-adults/
then maybe you're right.

From the point of view of the discussion of New Zealand's new smoking laws, it's interesting that anybody would go so far as bothering to stick two fingers up to a government of a country they had no plans to go to, but many normal people like to offer their judgement on more or less any law in any country - self included, if somebody happens to ask - and some people can be rather colourful when they're expressing strong political views. I guess it's such things as the degree of anger and practical obstructiveness that may be a useful touchstones.


Just wondering, from what I know from TV in Australia and New Zealand, you had more authoritarianism when it comes to the COVID-19 pandemic than here in Europe, for example, I didn't get vaccinated like my friend, but both me and him respected most of the restrictions or at least I did, I didn't get vaccinated because I was afraid of an anaphylactic reaction because I'm allergic.

According to this friend of mine, the more citizens of individual countries allow these motherf***ers (governments) of society, the more authoritarian they will become
That what your government does has good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions, that if he was some kind of newly minted adult who couldn't let him smoke a cigarette because some government slut decided so, he's going to buy a cigarette illegally and publicly smoke a cigarette, and if someone arrested him for it, he's going to buy a SVD sniper rifle and clean up the trash that promulgated this law, even though he hates smokers because they smell, but he won't let some politics strip him of his civil rights, I wrote to him that in my opinion the most important right is the right to life and he is writing me that he would like to deprive this other man, in this case a politician with whom he does not agree, without trial and without the right to legal defence :D



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16 Dec 2022, 10:39 am

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Just wondering, from what I know from TV in Australia and New Zealand, you had more authoritarianism when it comes to the COVID-19 pandemic than here in Europe, for example, I didn't get vaccinated like my friend, but both me and him respected most of the restrictions or at least I did, I didn't get vaccinated because I was afraid of an anaphylactic reaction because I'm allergic.

According to this friend of mine, the more citizens of individual countries allow these motherf***ers (governments) of society, the more authoritarian they will become
That what your government does has good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions, that if he was some kind of newly minted adult who couldn't let him smoke a cigarette because some government slut decided so, he's going to buy a cigarette illegally and publicly smoke a cigarette, and if someone arrested him for it, he's going to buy a SVD sniper rifle and clean up the trash that promulgated this law, even though he hates smokers because they smell, but he won't let some politics strip him of his civil rights, I wrote to him that in my opinion the most important right is the right to life and he is writing me that he would like to deprive this other man, in this case a politician with whom he does not agree, without trial and without the right to legal defence :D

There were definitely Covid protests in Australia and New Zealand, notably in Melbourne and Wellington. But the public in both countries seemed to largely support the restrictions while they were effective – that's the crucial point. Especially when a lot of us were able to enjoy many months in 2020 and 2021 without any Covid cases or deaths. But the Delta variant proved too difficult to control – especially in Sydney, Melbourne and Auckland, where case numbers were highest and the restrictions were toughest.

Eventually, both countries switched to suppressing the spread of the virus while getting vaccination rates up. Most domestic restrictions were significantly eased once ~90% of the adult population was double-vaccinated. These days the only real restrictions remaining are in healthcare and aged care settings. You don't even need to be vaccinated to visit from overseas any more.

So if Covid has taught me anything about Australia and NZ, it's that a lot of us don't mind tough restrictions when they give a material benefit – like saving lives. With less than 10% of adults in NZ reportedly being daily smokers now, tougher smoking restrictions have been met with little resistance. Only a few people in NZ, like the libertarian ACT Party, have publicly called the new restrictions anything close to authoritarian.

What we're less likely to tolerate are threats of gun violence: threats made in jest will probably at best be really unpopular with many people, while serious threats will get someone on a police watchlist.


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16 Dec 2022, 4:33 pm

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Just wondering, from what I know from TV in Australia and New Zealand, you had more authoritarianism when it comes to the COVID-19 pandemic than here in Europe, for example, I didn't get vaccinated like my friend, but both me and him respected most of the restrictions or at least I did, I didn't get vaccinated because I was afraid of an anaphylactic reaction because I'm allergic.

According to this friend of mine, the more citizens of individual countries allow these motherf***ers (governments) of society, the more authoritarian they will become
That what your government does has good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions, that if he was some kind of newly minted adult who couldn't let him smoke a cigarette because some government slut decided so, he's going to buy a cigarette illegally and publicly smoke a cigarette, and if someone arrested him for it, he's going to buy a SVD sniper rifle and clean up the trash that promulgated this law, even though he hates smokers because they smell, but he won't let some politics strip him of his civil rights, I wrote to him that in my opinion the most important right is the right to life and he is writing me that he would like to deprive this other man, in this case a politician with whom he does not agree, without trial and without the right to legal defence :D

There were definitely Covid protests in Australia and New Zealand, notably in Melbourne and Wellington. But the public in both countries seemed to largely support the restrictions while they were effective – that's the crucial point. Especially when a lot of us were able to enjoy many months in 2020 and 2021 without any Covid cases or deaths. But the Delta variant proved too difficult to control – especially in Sydney, Melbourne and Auckland, where case numbers were highest and the restrictions were toughest.

Eventually, both countries switched to suppressing the spread of the virus while getting vaccination rates up. Most domestic restrictions were significantly eased once ~90% of the adult population was double-vaccinated. These days the only real restrictions remaining are in healthcare and aged care settings. You don't even need to be vaccinated to visit from overseas any more.

So if Covid has taught me anything about Australia and NZ, it's that a lot of us don't mind tough restrictions when they give a material benefit – like saving lives. With less than 10% of adults in NZ reportedly being daily smokers now, tougher smoking restrictions have been met with little resistance. Only a few people in NZ, like the libertarian ACT Party, have publicly called the new restrictions anything close to authoritarian.

What we're less likely to tolerate are threats of gun violence: threats made in jest will probably at best be really unpopular with many people, while serious threats will get someone on a police watchlist.


You country looks very lovely I would glad to visit it when I had enough money and had New Zealand or Australia :-)

As for my friend he used to say some violent s**t sometimes, and that's all :D

I said, and actually wrote it with him, what does he care about the country at the other end of the globe, when he doesn't even live there in your country, and even if he did, it wouldn't concern him anyway because he was born long before 2009 :-)

As for me, I hate smokers, but I also have libertarian views, I don't like it when the government claims too much power over the citizen. I remember when I was a child and I watched a program once that in some other country in your area, Singapore banned chewing gum :-)

I also remember watching a program about skateboarding on a sports channel with my dad, neither me nor my father who died in 2002, did not think about skating, but they said that the Norwegian government in 1978-1989 banned skateboarding in Norway because it was " dangerous for children" dad joked that if he was born in Norway and not in Poland, he would be smuggling skateboards because if stupid socialists forbid something, there must be a good profit on it, dad said that socialists and communists "proudly fight problems that they themselves create " Dad said that when there was communism in Poland, only state banks had a monopoly on trade in foreign capitalist currency, so many Poles were doing just that ;-)



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16 Dec 2022, 4:59 pm

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Just wondering, from what I know from TV in Australia and New Zealand, you had more authoritarianism when it comes to the COVID-19 pandemic than here in Europe, for example, I didn't get vaccinated like my friend, but both me and him respected most of the restrictions or at least I did, I didn't get vaccinated because I was afraid of an anaphylactic reaction because I'm allergic.

I missed the UK restrictions because I arrived in the USA just before the pandemic and got trapped there (no planes to fly back). But I heard about what was going on in the UK and had mixed feelings about it. I had no problem with authoritarian control as such - I wanted it to be much firmer - but based on science not politics, and I felt that the free market was the cause of a lot of the antagonism between public health and the economy.

Meanwhile in the USA my wife was particularly vulnerable to Covid so we just self-isolated together until vaccines came along. We didn't particularly trust the vaccines to be safe, but we were much more scared of catching Covid, because of my wife's poor immune system and lung problems and my lack of health insurance in the USA (being used to the UK's NHS, I'm ideologically against buying healthcare, and couldn't afford it anyway). Meanwhile, we took as many walks as we wanted without fear of prosecution (living in a rural area it was quite safe to go outside), while in the UK people were being busted for outdoor transgressions that really weren't harming anybody.

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According to this friend of mine, the more citizens of individual countries allow these motherf***ers (governments) of society, the more authoritarian they will become
That what your government does has good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions, that if he was some kind of newly minted adult who couldn't let him smoke a cigarette because some government slut decided so, he's going to buy a cigarette illegally and publicly smoke a cigarette, and if someone arrested him for it, he's going to buy a SVD sniper rifle and clean up the trash that promulgated this law, even though he hates smokers because they smell, but he won't let some politics strip him of his civil rights, I wrote to him that in my opinion the most important right is the right to life and he is writing me that he would like to deprive this other man, in this case a politician with whom he does not agree, without trial and without the right to legal defence :D

He does seem rather unhinged, to me at least. But I don't know if it's all talk or whether he's really going to act out his fantasies.



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16 Dec 2022, 5:26 pm

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pawelk1986 wrote:
Just wondering, from what I know from TV in Australia and New Zealand, you had more authoritarianism when it comes to the COVID-19 pandemic than here in Europe, for example, I didn't get vaccinated like my friend, but both me and him respected most of the restrictions or at least I did, I didn't get vaccinated because I was afraid of an anaphylactic reaction because I'm allergic.

I missed the UK restrictions because I arrived in the USA just before the pandemic and got trapped there (no planes to fly back). But I heard about what was going on in the UK and had mixed feelings about it. I had no problem with authoritarian control as such - I wanted it to be much firmer - but based on science not politics, and I felt that the free market was the cause of a lot of the antagonism between public health and the economy.

Meanwhile in the USA my wife was particularly vulnerable to Covid so we just self-isolated together until vaccines came along. We didn't particularly trust the vaccines to be safe, but we were much more scared of catching Covid, because of my wife's poor immune system and lung problems and my lack of health insurance in the USA (being used to the UK's NHS, I'm ideologically against buying healthcare, and couldn't afford it anyway). Meanwhile, we took as many walks as we wanted without fear of prosecution (living in a rural area it was quite safe to go outside), while in the UK people were being busted for outdoor transgressions that really weren't harming anybody.

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According to this friend of mine, the more citizens of individual countries allow these motherf***ers (governments) of society, the more authoritarian they will become
That what your government does has good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions, that if he was some kind of newly minted adult who couldn't let him smoke a cigarette because some government slut decided so, he's going to buy a cigarette illegally and publicly smoke a cigarette, and if someone arrested him for it, he's going to buy a SVD sniper rifle and clean up the trash that promulgated this law, even though he hates smokers because they smell, but he won't let some politics strip him of his civil rights, I wrote to him that in my opinion the most important right is the right to life and he is writing me that he would like to deprive this other man, in this case a politician with whom he does not agree, without trial and without the right to legal defence :D

He does seem rather unhinged, to me at least. But I don't know if it's all talk or whether he's really going to act out his fantasies.


I don't know, it seems to me that he was just f*****g his stupidity, his fantasies, I doubt he would like to realize them, no need to worry about him, many people saying crap like that :lol: