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21 Jul 2020, 7:41 pm

Trickle down is a myth held by those naive enough to think that the wealthy don't do everything in their power to keep their wealth from trickling down to anyone.
It's why capitalism destroys itself. The shareholders never want the corporations to think of the long term. Only the short term. Quarterly gains come before the social good.
Eventually, wringing as much money out of the poor as they can leaves them with no money left to buy the things the wealthy want them to. Then they complain that the younger generation is killing industries bc they have too little disposable income.

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Material poverty doesn’t cause crime.
Moral poverty does.

Ah yes, the old puritan/calvinist adage. "If you're poor, you're not turning to crime bc of the desperation inherent in poverty". You're doing so bc you're not moral enough. Why can't they just love America/Jesus more? The world is fair, so why won't you work hard? It always pays off 100% of the time". Delusions.
The adage of someone with a full belly and a roof over his head.
It is easy to be moral when you can obtain what you need to survive through moral means. The impoverished man does not have the luxury you do to pick and choose.
The rich have that luxury and still they choose to oppress and murder. The rich just use their wealth to twist society and the law until their depraved sins are seen as Beneficent. Necessary. Patriotic. Admirable.
I hope your tax dollars will keep you warm when some future regime uses this as precedent to come after you. "It can't happen here" "It can't happen to me" "I'm a good American" "A good citizen"
Delusions.

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21 Jul 2020, 9:23 pm

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Have the protesters made any attempts to “liberate“ the red states?

How have eastern Washington, eastern Oregon, and Idaho fared in all this?

Speaking as a resident of the east side of Washington - - while there are obviously conservatives around here, they are for the most part tame, wearing masks and social distancing even if they would rather not. There are a few blazing idiots in my neck of the woods who think Covid is just a leftist conspiracy, but no more than in most places. While there have been demonstrations from the left, accompanied by some opportunistic criminals and right wing fanatics from Idaho (they claim local businesses called on them, when in fact all downtown shop owners wanted them gone) causing vandalism, I hardly think it's enough for Trump to intervene to suppress local BLM and Antifa.
Idaho is another matter. There, far more nuts have been falling from the trees to protest masks.

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22 Jul 2020, 12:21 am

And now Trump has just gotten the perfect excuse to deploy his agents to Chicago:

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CHICAGO (CBS) — At least 14 people were wounded Tuesday evening in a mass shooting directed at people attending a funeral in the Auburn Gresham community.

It began as a solemn ceremony for a victim of gun violence, and ended up becoming a gruesome scene of gun violence unto itself.

Chicago Police First Deputy Supt. Eric Carter said a black vehicle was heading west on 79th Street at 6:30 p.m., when people inside began firing at attendees of a funeral. The funeral was taking place at the Rhodes Funeral Services funeral home at 1018 W. 79th St.

The attendees of the funeral began firing back at the vehicle, which turned north on Carpenter Street and kept firing at people from the funeral before crashing into a parked car midway down the block.

The occupants got out and fled in multiple directions, Carter said.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/07/21 ... n-gresham/

I mean, seriously, who would shoot up a funeral?

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22 Jul 2020, 12:25 am

psychopathic monsters.

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22 Jul 2020, 1:38 am

beneficii wrote:

I mean, seriously, who would shoot up a funeral?

Well, if your opp only appears in public for funerals, where else will you get the opportunity to touch them?

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22 Jul 2020, 2:26 am

auntblabby wrote:

middle and upper class "progress" is the working class' oppression. "trickle down" is a pernicious myth, meant as a back of the hand to the lower classes.

If the middle and upper classes don't create jobs for the working class, then who does? You?

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22 Jul 2020, 3:23 am

Education/Intelligence (and maybe hard work) is supposedly the keys to the kingdom.

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22 Jul 2020, 4:03 am

Shrapnel wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

middle and upper class "progress" is the working class' oppression. "trickle down" is a pernicious myth, meant as a back of the hand to the lower classes.

If the middle and upper classes don't create jobs for the working class, then who does? You?

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Yeah, and those jobs are increasingly bad, with stagnant or declining real wages below the cost of living, and health care plans with huge deductibles. Another nickname for "trickle-down theory" is the "horse and sparrow theory", meaning that if you feed the horse enough oats, then when the horse goes poo, the sparrow gets to eat that. I mean, I guess the sparrow still gets some nourishment, but boy it's really subpar.

Let's look at health care specifically, since I'm familiar with this area and thus can better illustrate my point with it. A lot of people get their health care through their jobs, and if they lose their job, they're stuck paying for an expensive COBRA plan, if they can afford it at all. It creates a very tenuous situation for people's health care, as I'm sure this pandemic has illustrated quite well. But are we going to praise the employers as the providers and continue giving them more and more, or are we going to perhaps look at a different model? In other countries, people get their health care through a universal health care system, which comes with minimal or no co-insurance. Employers are not the providers of people's health care, and consequently their access to health care is much more stable, and not dependent on making their employers happy. Why must we continue to maintain such a system here?

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22 Jul 2020, 4:38 am

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beneficii wrote:

I mean, seriously, who would shoot up a funeral?

Well, if your opp only appears in public for funerals, where else will you get the opportunity to touch them?

Well, it was a big operation. There were multiple people firing from the vehicle. Is this gang-related, or something?

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22 Jul 2020, 6:17 am

Shrapnel wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

middle and upper class "progress" is the working class' oppression. "trickle down" is a pernicious myth, meant as a back of the hand to the lower classes.

If the middle and upper classes don't create jobs for the working class, then who does? You?

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Demand creates jobs, not a class of people.

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22 Jul 2020, 6:53 am

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Education/Intelligence (and maybe hard work) is supposedly the keys to the kingdom.

Choices and priorities.
Do I buy a text book and enroll in an online course to increase my value, or do I get another tattoo and go to the casino?

People are victims of their own choices.

@Aristophanes- refer to Says Law; "Supply creates its own demand"

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22 Jul 2020, 7:34 am

Shrapnel wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

Education/Intelligence (and maybe hard work) is supposedly the keys to the kingdom.

For the record, if you're bringing in Says law, you're arguing for Keynesian economics. Also Say's never wrote that, that's a simplified saying for a more complex thought:
"It is worthwhile to remark that a product is no sooner created than it, from that instant, affords a market for other products to the full extent of its own value. When the producer has put the finishing hand to his product, he is most anxious to sell it immediately, lest its value should diminish in his hands. Nor is he less anxious to dispose of the money he may get for it; for the value of money is also perishable. But the only way of getting rid of money is in the purchase of some product or other. Thus the mere circumstance of creation of one product immediately opens a vent for other products."

It's also not universally valid or products would never fail to be sold, it assumes the market is always efficient which it is not. Example: let's say I've bottled my excrement because I believe it has medicinal properties, the mere act of me making it doesn't mean anyone is actually willing to buy my shit- thus my product has failed, and Says law along with it.

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22 Jul 2020, 9:53 am

"percolate up" is far easier for me to swallow, than "trickle down."

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22 Jul 2020, 12:44 pm

beneficii wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

beneficii wrote:

I mean, seriously, who would shoot up a funeral?

Well, if your opp only appears in public for funerals, where else will you get the opportunity to touch them?

Well, it was a big operation. There were multiple people firing from the vehicle. Is this gang-related, or something?

I would anticipate so based on the details but I haven't seen that confirmed.

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22 Jul 2020, 4:34 pm

This whole invasion thing is making me think of Hitler when he invaded countries. Trump is doing it with US cities.

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22 Jul 2020, 4:36 pm

it is so far, the pinocheting of amuuurica, what with the extrajudicial abductions of innocents.

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