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09 Jun 2021, 8:42 am

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A little context might be helpful before casting judgement on Dr Khilanani
https://www.the-sun.com/news/3022427/wh ... khilanani/

She's a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst so she is self-exploring facing the darker elements of her subconscious mind. I find her research interests quite fascinating.


If she was trying to self-explore, then her talk was mis-titled. Because the title of her talk was referring to white people and she isn't one of them. So this logically means that self-exploration won't fit the title of the talk.



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09 Jun 2021, 8:50 am

She was "self-exploring" her violent feelings towards white people.



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09 Jun 2021, 8:58 am

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I'd just like to point out that quotes from Cornerstone Speech also weren't censored out of WP. Quoting a racist text to point out that it's racist (or to discuss possible doubts wheather it is racist or not) is not the same as promoting racist content. From our ancient guidelines:
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Didn't you make one of my threads disappear because it involved a rancid person ranting?
I am not sure why this thread has survived. :scratch:

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If you start stirring up drama and attacking people here, I will.


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09 Jun 2021, 9:03 am

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Are people not allowed to acknowledge the anger that dealing with systemic racism can cause?
Especially in the context she made the comments?

Tastes like a nothing burger. :roll:


not allowed after the fact. :?

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A psychiatrist said in a lecture at Yale University’s School of Medicine that she had fantasies of shooting white people, prompting the university to later restrict online access to her expletive-filled talk, which it said was “antithetical to the values of the school.”


Now Yale is really looking silly?

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She added: “My speaking metaphorically about my own anger was a method for people to reflect on negative feelings. To normalize negative feelings. Because if you don’t, it will turn into a violent action.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/nyre ... anani.html

Do Psychiatrists have their own meaning of "speaking metaphorically"?

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She was "self-exploring" her violent feelings towards white people.


and she is nasty!

What I would like to know is wth Yale was exploring. :?



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09 Jun 2021, 9:11 am

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The double standard is incredible. People are being canceled or publicly humiliated for saying a dated word or expression or something racist they did or said years ago when they were teenagers. Yet people are advocating for giving her slack for what she said recently.

Saying you fantasize about killing people because of their race in a speech where you spew vile things about said race is a lot more then a microaggression.


Her intention was to trigger debate about how deep set the PTSD is for people who experience racism in the ferocity of her own repressed feelings (as a POC) as an indicator of what might be similar pent up rage in other POCs. Her intention was to shock her audience.

Dr Khilanani is a psychoanalyst and is following Freud's theory to air her repressed thoughts and feelings about killing white people who get in her way is too painful for her as an individual, which she previously unconsciously pushed out of her consciousness until she became unaware of its existence in her day to practice as a doctor.

In 1977 my Philosophy professor, first day started the course by saying his first thoughts upon seeing a class full of nuble young women was to act on his sexual desires. He used the r-word, not the euphemism. He explained that he doesn’t act upon those desires, it was done to shock the audience to demonstrate philosophy was about values. It did shock his audience, the class audibly and loudly gasped especially the women.

If he said that today and it was recorded as it likely outside of a few mens rights organizations and maybe Tucker Carlson types his explanation that it was an intellectual exercise would fall on deaf ears. His academic career would be over.


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09 Jun 2021, 9:25 am

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Acknowledging your dark side is healthy - feeding it is not.

What I find central to the quoted text:
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We are asking a demented, violent predator who thinks that they are a saint or a superhero, to accept responsibility. It ain’t gonna happen.
I think everyone who had to deal with a narcissist knows exactly that feeling - especially when the narcissist was the one in power.

I don't know how it really distributes among US races but I have an impression that the mainstream US culture - that is white-dominated - does have a problem with society-wide narcissism.


Society-wide narcissism, yes. But for the most part its not racial type of narcissism. Its more like everyone being narcissistic to everyone. As far as racism itself goes, yes "some proportion of population" is racist, but then the "other proportion of population" overcompensates for it. Notice that the people at Yale who gave her platform were more likely White. So those White people were willing to give a black person platform to trash Whites, yet they won't give a platform to a White racist to trash blacks. So those White people aren't racist; quite the opposite in fact.

On a different note, I was just wondering: are you saying that in your view US is more racist than Poland? I have no idea whether Poland is racist against blacks. I did, however, hear a lot about Poland being racist against Jews. I guess my own thinking is that having a lot of racism against Jews without having any racism against blacks would be pretty weird, since blacks "stand out from the crowd" more. But of course just the fact that I find it weird doesn't mean that it can't be a mindset of others. So as someone living in Poland, what "is" Polish attitude to blacks and Jews and how does it compare?



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09 Jun 2021, 9:30 am

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She was "self-exploring" her violent feelings towards white people.


Yes but the title of the talk was "The Psychopathic Problem of the White Mind”. Since her own mind is not an example of "white mind", that self-exploration does not fit the title.



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09 Jun 2021, 9:35 am

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09 Jun 2021, 9:51 am

QFT wrote:
magz wrote:
Acknowledging your dark side is healthy - feeding it is not.

What I find central to the quoted text:
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We are asking a demented, violent predator who thinks that they are a saint or a superhero, to accept responsibility. It ain’t gonna happen.
I think everyone who had to deal with a narcissist knows exactly that feeling - especially when the narcissist was the one in power.

I don't know how it really distributes among US races but I have an impression that the mainstream US culture - that is white-dominated - does have a problem with society-wide narcissism.


Society-wide narcissism, yes. But for the most part its not racial type of narcissism. Its more like everyone being narcissistic to everyone. As far as racism itself goes, yes "some proportion of population" is racist, but then the "other proportion of population" overcompensates for it. Notice that the people at Yale who gave her platform were more likely White. So those White people were willing to give a black person platform to trash Whites, yet they won't give a platform to a White racist to trash blacks. So those White people aren't racist; quite the opposite in fact.

On a different note, I was just wondering: are you saying that in your view US is more racist than Poland? I have no idea whether Poland is racist against blacks. I did, however, hear a lot about Poland being racist against Jews. I guess my own thinking is that having a lot of racism against Jews without having any racism against blacks would be pretty weird, since blacks "stand out from the crowd" more. But of course just the fact that I find it weird doesn't mean that it can't be a mindset of others. So as someone living in Poland, what "is" Polish attitude to blacks and Jews and how does it compare?

How I view it: the lady's own racial bias attributed problems of mainstream American culture to the dominating race.

Poland and race are... quite a topic.
First, we don't really have the concept of race in a way it's common in English-speaking countries. Poles aren't traditionally endogamous, there have always been mixed marriages across various division lines and we easily welcome assimilating minorities. We usually look at culture, particularily language, not ancestry.
When it comes to Black people, sterotypes differ a lot from American ones. We never had race-segregated slavery nor oversea colonies. A young Black man you encounter in a city center is most likely a student from international exchange. So, social problems associated with Black Americans are largely obsent here. Black people in Poland mainly just look exotic.
When it comes to Jews... it's complicated. Blatant antisemitism is not popular, mostly a domain of some old and crazy conspirationists. Criticism of state of Israel politics is common and sometimes labeled "antisemitism", which I find unfair. However, as with any long and complicated history of centuries of coexistence, there are some unhealed wounds and difficult topics.


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09 Jun 2021, 10:17 am

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Because the bulk of the media has a left-wing bias.


You mean the same media that's consistently adversarial to social democrats and anything to the left of centrist liberals? :lol:

What media have you been watching? Most nauseatingly fawn over social democrats.


Mainstream media doesn't. The 24 hour cable networks don't. If you think CNN is friendly towards the left it's because you haven't watched it.


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So, in the same vein, you don't see "white supremecy" as much of an issue, provided they are only "discussing their fantasies" in the same manner as this lecturer did, and not justifying violence?


If white supremacists were having the same discussion the analogous experience would be due to severe delusions and my main problem would be with why that person isn't receiving professional help. :wink:

So may I infer from your comment that this woman needs professional help as well?


She might, although I wouldn't consider this as evidence.


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Someone yelled this out in the high school gym,
“I don’t like white bread,
I don’t like white milk,
And I don’t like white people.”
I can understand why she would feel that way.
Now if she yelled out,
“I want to kill white people.”
That would make me fear for my safety.
It also perpetuates the stereotype that all blacks are violent.


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How does this lady perpetuate anti-black stereotypes? I'd say assuming she must be black is an admission of one's own biases. That's Dr. Aruna Khilanani, the lecturer in question, btw.


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09 Jun 2021, 10:50 am

This lady can be speculated to be of many ethnicities, if one didn't know the meaning and language of her last name.

And, yes, the last name could be her "married name."



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09 Jun 2021, 10:59 am

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How I view it: the lady's own racial bias attributed problems of mainstream American culture to the dominating race.


Yeah thats about right.

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First, we don't really have the concept of race in a way it's common in English-speaking countries.


I never thought about it as an English-speaking phenomenon. In fact if you look at this map https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... countries/
it looks like its worldwide and, in fact, America is one of the less racist countries.

Although of course they didn't say racist "against whom". So it is possible that looking at the skin color is an English-speaking thing to do while all those other countries are looking at things other than race. But I don't know, I am just speculating.

But it would be strange though. If you want to look at "something" to separate us vs them, wouldn't race be the most obvious thing to look at? Particularly since that is the first thing you know about someone by just looking at them?

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Poles aren't traditionally endogamous


That is a bit surprising too. If anything, it is America that is a melting pot of all kinds of countries and cultures. One of my ex-s led me to believe she was pure British (she wasn't: it turned out she had admixtures of Scottish and German) and I found it quite impressive because it is so rare for Americans to be so pure. Most White Americans are a mix of different European countries, not just one. And then of course there is some intermarriage between races too.

On the other hand, with Poland I would assume they would stay a lot more pure due to the simple fact that they have a lot less immigration. I mean I am sure they have "some" immigration, but I always assumed America has a lot more. If you take someone who has no cultural connection to either Poland or the US, they would be more likely to immigrate to the US than to Poland.

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We usually look at culture, particularily language, not ancestry.


That is also interesting. Because Russians define Jews to be an ancestry, while Americans define Jews to be a culture. So it sounds like in Poland they take American view on it rather than Russian view.

Now, I realize that Poles don't want to think of themselves as related to Russians, and they would get easily offended if I say they are. But the fact that something is offensive doesn't make it less true. I mean Estonians would also get very offended if one compares them to Russians, yet they have Russian mindset regardless.

In any case, I wasn't saying Russians are racist against blacks (that is a good question too if they are or aren't). What I was saying is that they view Jews as an ancestry. So it is a bit surprising Poles don't view Jews that way.

As far as Russian attitude towards blacks, from what I read blacks were quite welcome back at the time of USSR, yet right now they get physically attacked when they visit Russia. From what I read, it has to do with the fact that back in USSR days the only blacks that were coming were black students, whereas nowdays there are a lot of blacks who are drug dealers.

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When it comes to Black people, sterotypes differ a lot from American ones. We never had race-segregated slavery nor oversea colonies.


But that history would make America "less" racist rather than more racist. From what I seen, Americans are trying to "make up for their past mistakes" by giving special favors to blacks. For example, my mom's friend, who is a math professor at the university, said that there was an incident where there were few hundrid applicants to the professor position and one of them was a black woman. They felt forced to give her the position, regardless of who was more qualified, simply because she was black. As it happened she withdrew her application and that is what allowed them to look at other candidates. Now, something like that won't happen in the country like Poland where they don't have the history of slavery that they want to compensate for. Or at least I assume so?

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A young Black man you encounter in a city center is most likely a student from international exchange. So, social problems associated with Black Americans are largely obsent here.


Yes, that was also true back in Russia during the communist days. But that was because of "iron border" that won't allow foreigners to enter (regardless of their race) unless they had a very good reason to. On the other hand, nowdays in Russia that is no longer the case: there are a lot of black drug dealers coming to Russia, and this is why Russian attitude towards blacks shifted.

But what about Poland? How do they avoid black drug dealers if they don't have iron border or anything like that?

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When it comes to Jews... it's complicated. Blatant antisemitism is not popular, mostly a domain of some old and crazy conspirationists.


I remember, few years ago, I talked to you about it on a different thread. I shown you this link https://global100.adl.org/map which says that over 40% of Polish population is antisemitic. In your response you actually acknowledged that this is a well done study.

You then went on to say that Polish people are simply more likely to say what they think as compared to English speaking countries where they can think the same things but not say it since its not considered okay. You also said that Poles tend to complain more about their lives in general rather than just this.

However, before you said this, you "did" acknowledge that that study was well done. So then it means that you don't think those views are fringe since thats not what that study shows.

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Criticism of state of Israel politics is common and sometimes labeled "antisemitism"


That part is true in other countries too, particularly Europe. To me it seems like if you go to Western Europe, then criticising Israel is politically correct while criticizing Jews isn't. But if you go to Eastern Europe then both become politically correct. But I could be wrong: I am just assuming Eastern Europe is like Russia. But even if I don't make that assumption. On that survey Poland ranks higher on antisemitism than Russia so it would be surprising if Russians could criticize Jews and Poles couldn't.



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09 Jun 2021, 11:06 am

I, myself (who is an American Jew), believe American people think in terms of both "ancestry" and "culture" when it comes to Jews.



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kraftiekortie wrote:
I, myself (who is an American Jew), believe American people think in terms of both "ancestry" and "culture" when it comes to Jews.


When my mom first came to America and they were calling her Russian, she was correcting them "I am not Russian, I am Jewish". But they were always confused because to them Russian refers to citizenship and Jewish refers to religion. But in Russia both words refer to genetics, which was the ultimate source of confusion.

Although part of it is a language thing. In Russian language there are TWO words for Russian and TWO words for Jewish, and they have different meanings:

Evrey = Someone of Jewish ancestry
Iudey = Someone of Jewish religion
Russkiy = Someone of Russian ancestry
Rossiyanin = Someone of Russian citizenship

But in English there is just one word for each. So if in English there is one word for what in Russian would be two words, then it makes sense that this one word would have multiple meanings, like you said.

But still the fact that Americans got confused when my mom was correcting them in this way shows that they "tend" to view Jew more as a religion. Of course if they are Jewish themselves then its different: American Jews (even the ones who have nothing to do with Russia) do view Jewish thing as an ancestry. But Americans gentiles seem to think of it more as a religion.

Although it leads to another good question. If Americans view Jews as a religion, why would they support Israel? After all there is no "Mormon country" or "Jehovah Wittnesses country". So they "do" have to view Jews as an ancestry in some way. I guess maybe they do so when they talk about Israel but then they totally forget about it when they talk about everyday people they encounter.