The French view on Autism -scary

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Okay, everybody! Raise your hand if you like the French!

Now, raise both hands if you are French ...

I like French! I didn't really like the video, but I still like French. I laughed when the old lady was talking about the crocodile in the first video LOL. Was she saying that they want autistic people to stop putting their hands in the crocodile's mouth or something? I wasn't really sure on that part. The interviewer also had a good point that, in response to their theory that autism is present in depressed mothers, countries with war or other reasons to be really sad should have more cases of autism. It would be interesting to see all of them answer that question.I sure wouldn't want to be autistic in France, or be the mother of an autistic person and be blamed for this "psychosis" that I supposedly gave to my child. How horrible...

Technically, that'd be "affreuse grammaire", not the other way around. But it's fine otherwise. :p

Ah oui, coucou à ma compatriote de l'autre côté de l'océan (c-à-d mag2) . ^^; Comment ça se passe en Sarkozie? XD

And honestly, if you can read french : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndrome_d ... rancophone

You'll read that France doesn't really recognize Asperger's syndrome, so help is quite misadapted. Québec is pretty much the "best" place to get help if you're a french aspie. =/ Even people at my college / université treat me with dignity (ie:not trying to make fun of me), and so did cégep /high school people to a great degree.

@Fnord, I'll not do that and spare you the horror.

I think the French also have the reputation of being the most obnoxious tourists, can't say I'm surprised.

hello phil
asperger syndrom is recognized in France, thanks to other countries...thanks to laurent mottron, tony attwood etc..
I will have an asperger assesment in 3 weeks for me. they also diagnose adults .
aspiegirl : yes the woman talking about crocodil is ridiculous, but unfortunatly she is in charge of a lot of children, she is a referent for autism in her town.

to psychoanalysts, the child has been driven mad ( autistic!) by her mother, because she had a strong desire to kill him at the birth because she did not accept that he exits from her belly.
In the movie , G Loison ( the psychatrist) explains that the mother wants to devour the child: the crocodil is the mother. the pen symbolizes the verge of the father: the pen is placed in the mouth of the crocodile, to prevent the child from eating by him.

I repeat again : all this is tought at universities ( psychology, medecine ), high school.
psychoanalysts are invited in all the medias, for erverything . They control the medias.
french adore them.
but by the same time , it is usefull because french parents fight every day for their child, they do everything all by thmeselves, they become more aware that any professional, they develop a lot of things to help their child, since the state is against them.

it is like a microsociety in the state ( and I think it is the same in all countries )

thank you for your reactions.

I've heard the same about belligerant Americans y'know... Thinking they own the world.

Anyways, back on topic PLEASE.

Whoops.

thanks for the correction.

One video does not summarize an entire country's opinion. As a French citizen, I can attest that I was never mistreated while I was there for what used to be a crippling social handicap. Actually high functioning autistics are most likely better off there with the lack of services. The French tend to be assimilationist, which means that people with asds are given the chance to improve themselves without being secluded. Too much special treatment will encourage dependence and will not prepare anyone for the real world.

Last edited by petitesouris on 23 Oct 2011, 6:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I was reading Attwood last night-- my response is the same now as then.

I so completely need to stop complaining about how Americans handle ASDs. It could be sooooo much worse.

This didn't surprise me at all.

Yes, let's not get off topic by bashing french people for being obnoxious. It's clear that the two americans at the top of this are more obnoxious than any of the french people on this topic.

Thanks OP for sharing this.

Back on topic please. We don't really care about Frenchs/Americans. We care about the autistics peoples in France.

"Technically, that'd be "affreuse grammaire", not the other way around. But it's fine otherwise. :p"

"Technically". "Grammaire affreuse" is commonly used. "Affreuse grammaire" still more correct than "grammaire affreuse", but it still commonly used. :>

About the vid :

I only watched the 3 first minutes. I can't watch more. It's just shameful.


I'm French. When I was about 4 years old (not really sure), a psychologist (neuropsyhologist ? I don't really know) told to my mother that I was autistic (because I didn't spoken etc...). She said : "it's your fault". My mother got totally traumatized. I don't understand how it is possible to think that "it's caused by the parents".

In France, we're not so informed on Aspies, HFA, etc... or if we are, I never heard about that elsewhere than on Internet.

But when I maked an appointement (absolutely not sure if it is correct) in a Centre Ressource Autisme (sorry, I don't know how I can say this in English), I had to wait two years to get one ("technically") . And I can say that none of the autistic child, whatever their "form" of autism, don't get "packed".

Of course, I'm not stupid. I know that's not the case for everyone, I know that some "specialists" are really thinking that it's the parents' fault (that's why I gave you an exemple above). But don't blame ALL Frenchs specialists, please.

It revolts me to see a video like that. k, we recognized the Asperger Syndrome "lately". But some real specialists exists in France, too.

Hope my english is correct. :>

Hell, even us are more progressive in that: http://www.autismlebanon.org/pages/theres1.asp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQETFFTvZs

If my memory serves me correct, France didn't actually have Asperger's as a diagnosis until like 2002 or something. I remember it was really late compared to the United States (which is saying something).

Also speaking about something I heard in the past, I believe there are still countries like South Korea that treat it worse. I remember a South Korean friend who had no clue what autism was until he put it in a Korean dictionary and was amazed. He seriously did not know about genetic causes of autism, and said the parents mostly keep their kids indoors and try to make them not go outside in public. That was rather recent.

sMeow,

Your english is pretty good! :p (a thought though, no need to put an "s" at people, unless there are diferent bunch of peoples :p Tu devrais savoir que ça se traduit en "peuple")

Also, that'd be an "autism ressource center"? =/

And yeah, from what I can perceive of some of my family in France (my godfather, namely), there seems to be quite an impetus to be "normal" or to "fit in", which doesn't give people a lot of leeway. I'm kind of worried about that. There's quite a bit more open-mindedness across the ocean, imo, but even then, there are exceptions, if we consider some of the "shock" (litterally in some cases) treatments that the Americans have come up with to get people rid of their autism. ^.-

"Your english is pretty good! :p (a thought though, no need to put an "s" at people, unless there are diferent bunch of peoples :p Tu devrais savoir que ça se traduit en "peuple") "

Thanks for your help :> People is more like "personne" I think.

http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/an ... ais/people

"Also, that'd be an "autism ressource center"? =/ "

Well, not really... I'm not sure, but I think it's not named like this in English countries.
It's a Center where specialists can help autistics with their social troubles etc... I don't know if it's the same in all the France, but mine is very good.
I've got the mail of the neuropsychologist and of the psychomotor therapist, so she can help me if I've some difficulties.
For the exemple, it's very difficult for me to write. My wrist hurts me if I write more than 5 minutes, because I can't place it correctly... it's hard to explain. I'm also very slow when I'm writing. But with the help of the Center, during exams etc... may I'll can use a computer. It's also very hard for me to speak to somebody without... meltdowns, and in public, it's just... awful. So, may I could take it (?) with the teacher only, without the others.
I mean, we're not stupid in France, we're not crual etc... ;>

"And yeah, from what I can perceive of some of my family in France (my godfather, namely), there seems to be quite [...] treatments that the Americans have come up with to get people rid of their autism. ^.-"

I'm only in secondary, so it's normal I guess, but you're right. Everyone want to be normal, so it's not easy to be autistic - at least, to be a young autistic.
I must admit that my country can be "elitist". I rarely see a teacher say "congratulation", it's more like "why the f**k can't you look me in the eyes when you're talking to me ?" whether he know it's difficult for you or not. I exaggerate, but you see what I mean ?

I admiss that the "rush to the normality" and a certain "elitism" are very problematics for autistics ; that's why we can easily disregard about this...