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09 Feb 2012, 1:15 pm
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Thank you very much. That certainly answers a lot of my questions. But I have to ask, can an individual who is either a psychopath or a sociopath be "cured," or at least, "learn" how to behave normally?
that is a two-part question, but i will try to answer both parts with one wordy but inexpert guestimate answer - implicit in the title of the book "the mask of sanity" is the fact that the brightest of these bad boys can learn to put on the false front of sanity - but for the most part they will be acting the part and not BEING the part. they will generally be working against their natural inclinations. our jails and prisons are full of such types. sure, there have been 'paths who have had the big illuminating moment, after many years and many occasions in prison, when the thought bubble pops-up over their heads, with the words, "why do i keep doing this stuff that gets me stuck in here?" - but with a very few notable exceptions, they will not feel real remorse for their victims but instead remorse for themselves, for their poor choices in life which cost them years and their youths. the smarter/less addled ones will occasionally determine with all their might to reform for the sake of being able to live a semblance of a "normal" life as free people. but i still would not get on the bad side of these so-called reformed people, as they remind one of the t-shirt with the motto, "51% sweetheart, 49% [female dog]- don't push it." two of the the aforementioned few exceptions would have to be Howard Storm ["My Descent Into Death"] and Danion Brinkley ["Saved by the Light"], both of whom purportedly met their makers ahead of time, and were definitively set straight, both by their testimony of forced conversion as well as by the example of their lives after their transformation. google their very interesting story. another more illuminating example of an accidental sociopath, was one whose misbehavior was caused by an accidental lobotomy via wayward railroad spike- Phinneas Gage was a pious, upright type before his accident, but became a foul-mouthed, intemperate rake afterwards, incapable of learning from his many mistakes. after a few years, his brain managed to heal somewhat on its own, and his behavior eventually reverted to normal. in light of this tragic example, some of the answers to the riddle of sociopathy may reside somewhere in the restraining influence of the frontal lobes [in addition to the limbic system]. but nobody [outside of the supernatural] has come up with any definitive cures for the antisocial types. my law-and-order oldest brother believes in the "lead" cure.
Thank you.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
09 Feb 2012, 5:02 pm
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09 Feb 2012, 5:26 pm
09 Feb 2012, 5:35 pm
auntblabby wrote:
(clicky)total and unadulterated evil
i put in this most recent link as a most recent example of what has been bothering me- i gotta know- how does one deal with unplacable evil, evil that will not be anything other than total evil? how does one deal with people who will not be civil, people who will not be civilized? this gave me nightmares about bullies chasing me across time and space. how does one deal definitively with evil without becoming evil oneself? how does one remain good despite encroaching evil? how?
i put in this most recent link as a most recent example of what has been bothering me- i gotta know- how does one deal with unplacable evil, evil that will not be anything other than total evil? how does one deal with people who will not be civil, people who will not be civilized? this gave me nightmares about bullies chasing me across time and space. how does one deal definitively with evil without becoming evil oneself? how does one remain good despite encroaching evil? how?
I know. Very difficult. It's like when Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert. How do you handle being tempted by bullies to become one yourself? F. Nietzsche wrote, when dealing with monsters, be careful not to become one. So how would Nietzsche handle it? By writing books where he subtly pokes at his monsters. But in a way, that is becoming one, isn't it? You could write a book of parables.
Just be smarter than the bullies and publish books like Nietzsche did or share your wisdom like Jesus. You can try to find devout followers like Jesus to shield you from your foes. Just look at how others have dealt with people who want to do them in. Of course Jesus ended up crucified, but for a while, he was doing great. He did nice things for people. Some people didn't like what he said or his acts but he had enough followers, for a while, it didn't matter. What you need are devout followers as well so do nice things for people who will be loyal and supportive and don't be tempted by the evil.
09 Feb 2012, 7:11 pm
I do not comprehend the Powells andd Bustamentes of this world.
Never have.
Never will.
All the studies and reports and articles that explain what's wrong with someone cannot explain how anyone can choose to kill a child, plan it, prepare for it, buy supplies (Bustamente dug little Elizabeth's grave days in advance and Powell bought at least 6 gallons of gasoline to douse his house with), then brutally end a child's life. The pain of loss and guilt will be part of people's lives forever. Guess that's what these 'people' want.
Thank you for bringing this topic, Aunt Blabby, the 3 victims deserve their stories to be told.
But I just hate this.
Sylkat 
09 Feb 2012, 7:59 pm
auntblabby wrote:
how does one remain good despite encroaching evil? how?
By adopting a firm set of principles that are clearly NOT evil, and never, ever abandoning them, for any reason whatsoever. Even in the face of death.
Life AS an evil person, is not worth living anyway.
Which is probably why things like this happen. People who leave their own good principles loose the will to live, and unfortunately sometimes take others with them.
That doesn't mean the rest of us have to.
"Evil's" number one definition is "Morally reprehensible." To say that morally reprehensible people or acts don't exist is pure blindness to reality.
Or, maybe I'm wrong and Hitler was just a misunderstood gentleman.
10 Feb 2012, 3:45 am
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10 Feb 2012, 6:45 am
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10 Feb 2012, 10:31 am
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10 Feb 2012, 1:23 pm
Sylkat wrote:
I do not comprehend the Powells andd Bustamentes of this world.
Never have.
Never will.
All the studies and reports and articles that explain what's wrong with someone cannot explain how anyone can choose to kill a child, plan it, prepare for it, buy supplies (Bustamente dug little Elizabeth's grave days in advance and Powell bought at least 6 gallons of gasoline to douse his house with), then brutally end a child's life. The pain of loss and guilt will be part of people's lives forever. Guess that's what these 'people' want.
Thank you for bringing this topic, Aunt Blabby, the 3 victims deserve their stories to be told.
But I just hate this.
Sylkat
Never have.
Never will.
All the studies and reports and articles that explain what's wrong with someone cannot explain how anyone can choose to kill a child, plan it, prepare for it, buy supplies (Bustamente dug little Elizabeth's grave days in advance and Powell bought at least 6 gallons of gasoline to douse his house with), then brutally end a child's life. The pain of loss and guilt will be part of people's lives forever. Guess that's what these 'people' want.
Thank you for bringing this topic, Aunt Blabby, the 3 victims deserve their stories to be told.
But I just hate this.
Sylkat
I don't think anyone should try to comprehend them as anything different from some wild beast of sorts. Things that have been caged away for the protection of real human beings with actual souls. If they're seen as that then it's easier not to have to feel the horrible dread, disgust, and rage towards such beings. That comes from trying to picture them as a human being like yourself which is impossible. It's easier to just pity them like you would a dangerous animal that mauls a person to death.
If you're a Christian I suppose you just have to leave it to god to forgive such a person as a fellow human. I don't think such can be expected of mere mortal human beings.
10 Feb 2012, 1:27 pm
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