Iran seizes British sailors, may put them on trial

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Transcript of Iranian television:

(source: Middle East Media Research Center)

(Clip available here)

If I were in charge, I'd have the whole SAS dropped in by Osprey, and declare war on their asses.

What on Earth are you talking about? It was an Indian ship, in Iraqi waters, as confirmed by GPS and by the Master of the merchant vessel that was searched. Even the original Iranian story gave the position of the encounter well within Iraqi waters - that is until the British government pointed out to the Iranian government that their story didn't add up.

The Telegraph is letting people comment. From one extreme to the other:

Sometimes I am glad that "Mr. Average Joe" doesn't have the actual power to decide matters of war and peace. Flattening civilian areas of Tehran will not solve this problem, it is more likely to cause us a backlash among Muslims throughout the broader Middle East. The second comment forgets all the events in regards to Iran's nuclear stand-off with the UN.

Incidentally, that vast naval force could very well provide part of the solution, not as part of a overwhelming bombardment of Iran, but as a naval blockade.

it's hard to believe our own government on issues like this, these days

also, many (most) people here say that we shouldn't be there anyway

if you knew the way that we treat our prisoners, then all these assumptions/claims in the media that the 15 soldiers are being mistreated is laughable

in this 'war' don't forget, we'd fly half way across the earth to grab people in the middle of the night (extraordinary rendition) to torture them, and to give them no-trial and no rights. (no matter what border they were behind)

and while we're updating our Nuclear WMD at home in England, we're telling Iran not to go nuclear

basically we lost the 'higher ground' a looooong time ago, so who are we to judge

Please, tell us what you "know" regards the way "we" treat prisoners. I'm all ears, waiting to hear your "sources" for this timely information.

We have gone over to the middle-east (for whatever reason, i wont get into that one <errm...cough>)
and laid down our version of law, and taken prisoners (again, for whatever reason, i wont get into that one)
....errrr, dude, the whole world knows how we treated them - trials, convictions, and aquitals still going on today!

This treatment has been proven many times in the courts, and we've all seen the photos heck, even Fox News has reported this!!

And back home, our prisons are full, conditions are below standard, even the government acknowledges that.

It just seems a little bizarre to me that we still think we can dictate how other countries should conduct that sort of business.

And don't forget, with this current situation ... we have no evidence (made-up or otherwise) to suggest that our soldiers are being mistreated.

And here's my full quote, btw......



....you seemed to miss-out the bit about extraordinary rendition ... and i didn't even get into (not so-) secret CIA prisons

Hell ... I didn't even mention that justice-less concentration-camp Guantanimo Bay .....or maybe that just doesn't exist, hmmm

Well lad, the last time I checked, Gitmo Bay was operated by the Yanks. Maybe we took over, and I missed that bit of news. Also I'm unaware that we operate the CIA. Again, perhaps MI5 took that company over, and I missed out. Hell, maybe Lloyds owns 'em both ???

Prof_Pretorius,

Hell, maybe Lloyds owns them both ???

On the mark, it is just about money.

Oil I recall was $13, one little WMD story, and it goes over $70.

Saddam is dead, no WMD.

A country was invaded, people have been dying for four years.

Oil companies report record profits.

Now it is another country that might someday become an Atomic Power?

Who also happens to have oil?

North Korea is an Atomic Power, and total nut case, but they do not have oil.

A lot of people died in Korea and Viet Nam, to contain the ChiCom.

Now they are still commies, and money is moving all the factories there.

It is State slavery. Filling shoe stores and Walmart, and money is making money.

What about the flags and slogans and honored dead now? They died for ROI?

It was lies then, Korea was to keep munitions factories reaping profits.

Viet Nam about who would control the poppy trade.

Nicaragua about the cocaine market. Every year the coke trade generates a thousand 40 foot containers of $100 bills, it is not being shipped out of the country.

Panama was a drug deal. Rival gangs fought for control, but supply/demand on the streets of America was not affected. If anything prices are declining and supply is up. It brings in new customers. Business management skills of a high order.

Afganistan was invaded when poppies were wiped out. Production is now higher than ever.

The money of England used the State to sell opium to China at gun point, and it lead to a war, money claimed a right to that market. A long history of dealing in dope.

Drugs and oil are where the real money is now a days.

You may remember my people from the peace talks at Fort Pitt, where you made us a gift of blankets infected with Small Pox. You met us again at the Battle of New Orleans.

Dresden.

Come on you guys! This is how it went down.

Bush asked Rove the best way to invade Iran.

Rove replied the best way would be to get one of our allies to invade Iran.

The sailors were probably told to invade that water.

Now the U.S. can get Great Britan to take out Iran's WMD program.


Given the past of our current administration, is it no strecth of the imagination that this is what's going on. Follow the moneyand oil.

J.C.

Inventor, old chap, we were on the same side at New Orleans. Well, some of you were with us, that is. The small pox blanket thing remains somewhat controversial, as it was not well understood back then that a blanket could transmit the disease. (That's our excuse, and we're sticking to it.)

JCC, while we are your closest allie and all that, I really find it difficult to believe that we would do the bidding of your PM Bush. How this all works out is anyone's guess. BUT I doubt we'll be invading Iran to rid them of WMD just to get our sailors back.

Really.

What are you talking about? What is this in reference to? Oil prices are up now because of worries that supply will be disrupted due to a Mideast War.



Events.

Connected.

And not.



Oh COME ON!! ! The U.S. has not seized Iraq's oil! Iraq may lease it to private companies, but that is there business. If the US or the UK wanted to steal it why don't we control the oil fields? In fact, if the U.S. wanted oil so much why would they not use their own resources? Why would we invade an entirely different country (one with a much more powerful military even) to steal oil?



Korea and Vietnam were not about containing Red China but communism generally (the domino theory).



Well, the DRPK essentially runs a communist (basically Stalinist) system. Vietnam has opened up somewhat, although it is run entirely by the Communist Party. I personally prefer to refer to China and Vietnam as "party-dictatorships, or proletarian-dictatorships," in reference to their (partial but not absolute) separation from socialism of the Soviet Union.



What? "State slavery" is the most absolute form of totalitarianism. It's the sort of stuff that happened under Mao-Tse Tung in the PRC and Pol Pot in Cambodia. The creation of a free-market system is not "state slavery" in any way.



What? What is the basis for this. Is this what President Truman and the congress voted for? I mean, North Korea did invade South Korea, didn't it? That is justification for a counter response, right?



I thought it was about containing the ChiComs. Wasn't there a whole "Cold War" going on? Does it really make sense that a country would sacrifices tens of thousands of lives, damage it's economy by spending tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars over the poppy trade? Who was talking about the poppy trade at the time? Did it really drive the international economy that the U.S. and the Communists would be involved in international warfare?



Let me be fair. Cocaine sold on the black marketed helped fund the sale of arms, equipment and supplies in the war in Nicaragua, as well as numerous other wars in Latin America, Africa, and Asia during the Cold War, and today. But isn't (generally, although not exclusively, in considering to certain drug lords) that just an secondary detail rather the the primary motive of the war themselves.



First, off, I can understand that someone opposes the American intervention into Panama to depose Manual Noreiga. However, it seems to me that it was more then "just" a drug deal. Noriega was also a former CIA informant who turned his back on the organization when he started shipping drugs into the United States (he was convicted in a U.S. court of trafficking).



This is utterly false. The poppies were never completely wiped out under the Taliban, and they did sell illegal narcotics on the black market. However I concede your point.



(source)

It is still better to have the current government in place then the Taliban, regardless of the opium issue.



As obviously demonstrated by your reference from the Victorian Age.

To be fair, however, you are right at the moment about oil doing well.

Top Industries (defined as return to stockholders)
1. Petroleum Refining 60.7%
2. Mining - Crude Oil Production 53.6%
3. Oil and Gas Services 51.6%
4. Health Care: Insurance and Managed Care 51.3%
5. Health Care: Pharmacy and Services 34.6%
6. Railroads 26.7%
7. Whole Sale: Healthcare 25.3%
8. Insurance: P&C (stock) 24.3%
9. Securities 23.5%
10. Insurance: Life, Health (stock) 17.7%

Who's doing the worst at the moment?
45. Computers, Office Equipment -10%
46. Wholesalers: Food and Grocery -10.6%
47. Publishers, Printing -12.4%
48. Airlines -13.1%
49. Motor Vehicles and Parts -22.4%

Oil used to, generally, be very much in the red. (source)

If oil is where the real money is these days, we're making a hash of it. The Iraq oil industry is mostly in tatters. The Saudis are hunkered down, ready to defend their empire to the death. Now we rattle the sabers at Iran, and they rattle back. At this rate, we're down to buying oil from the Russkies ! !

Pro-Pretorius, Don't misunderstand. You're not the bad guys here, we are. We have some real slez-buckets running things over here. If you still don't belive me, pickup a copy of Fahrenheit 9/11, also JFK, and then Nixon. You'll see for yourself how we continuly re-elect these people who don't have our best intrest at heart. J.C.


P.S. That list of movies goes on. There are some great books on the subject too.
Hope you get your sailors back.

Or Texas.

Don't think that the Bush family is disappointed at how things are turning out. They made their $ off oil.

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