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Sex and gender are the same thing roftlol

Next thing you'll be saying romantic attraction is the same is sexual attraction


Sex and gender are as different as Tall and fat. Being fat doesn't mean you are tall, just as your sex being male doesn't mean your gender is. if they were the same thing, they wouldn't be called different terms and they wouldn't have different definitions

By the way, where did you get your degree? Because its quite interesting on how your opinion is different from the established medical views on sex, gender, and psychology that have been proven countless times by different studies. You might want to consider suing your university for providing you with false knowledge and a useless background that won't help you practice psychology. I'd definately advise it, then at least those years you spent studying psychology won't have been a total waste of your time because you know you won't be making any money practicing what you've been taught

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Semantics. Like "sound" and "noise," "sex" and "gender" have virtually the same meaning.

Sex and gender only have the same meaning amongst people who don't know what they are talking about. If you are talking about transexuals, it stands to reason you would have taken the time to know the most basic definitions involved. After all, if you don't know the simple basics of the situation you can't logically claim that you know enough to have an opinion one way or the other on the issue you are talking about

Sex is a physical characteristic, gender is a social construct. Anyone whose taken an introductory psych course should be able to tell you that, hands down, without the minutest amount of doubt

A sound is a noise, a gender isn't a sex, gender is a manifestation of what society thinks a particular sex should be like and varies greatly between cultures. Sex is the same in all cultures.

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Woah...watch the foul mouth there, buddy! *shudder*


I think what this doctor did was cruel and unjust!

Trees, I strongly suggest you invest in a thesaurus... Who the hell cares what those people think they are, besides that?! It's an empirical fact; they aren't, and cannot be, any gender/sex (ha!) of their choice! Physiologically, it's impossible. Psychologically? Well, I can't be bothered to type the full text using big impressive words on an iPhone, but in essence the desire to become a gender/sex different to your own is paramount to indication that you are, in fact, not of the gender/sex you desire.
Chromosomes don't conform to desires.

BTW; what "medical" professions and communities are you referencing..? I'm unfamiliar with such minimally educated people. Perhaps this medical community you reference is located in Zimbabwe? That'd make sense! That wily old Mugabe! Because, really, I don't see that anybody with free access to modern information could conceivably hold those opinions. Unless, of course, they were themselves in need of psychological assessment.

A-thankyou.

Indeed, I knew das Techno Viking would not be pleased. He is now drunk and angry on the kingly brew supplied by ImtheGuywhodidthat.

But seriously, a doctor does not have the right to amputate anything unless a patient's death is immanent. A biopsy of the cancer should have been done before proceeding.

There is something wrong with you dude.

oops...okay ^_^



damn straight

the people themselves who realize they're "born in the wrong body" (to use that horrible cliche)



With science they can! As an add-on, most people can identify with their gender as their brain make-up is the same as their body



here's a quote I got from another site:



and



There can be differences in the chromosomes/genes of what makes the brain male or female, or hormones, or etc and how the genitals develop.




as the firefox profile I'm using now (the Tor one) doesn't have del.icio.us installed I found a google

long mistyped Google search link wrapped by lau


this link seems good:
http://www.avitale.com/FAQ.htm

Read: gender identification disorder.
True, a very small minority may have a brain abnormality causing them to believe they ought to have been male/female. Again; too bad.
Genetics don't lie. A woman with one X and one Y isn't a woman.
Again, strong desires cannot alter fact.

To add to the layers of meaning, sex is an activity, and gender is an identity or constitution. It is true that most of what people have for ideas about gender are socially constructed (male OR female, based on simple anatomy). But there are far more than 2 genders - after taking a variety of biophysical tests and psychological profiles, I realized I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body, and I have always been comfortable with the anatomy I was born with.

Yes genetics don't lie. That's why its pure foolishness to say someone can't be transgendered


In fact if you had taken the time to research this issue, you would know that the part of the brain that determines your gender developes before your body has developed any genitalia at all and that many professionals name genetics as one of the reasons why there are transexuals in the world

As you have said, strong desires do not alter a fact, so why do you keep using your desire to pretend that transexuality is a psychology problem to distort all the known facts surrounding it, to add support to your argument? You admit you know your desires can't alter the facts of a situation, so why bother trying with this nonsense of distorting all the undisputed truth of the matter to support your desire of what should be regarding transexuality?

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Ishmael,

I strongly suggest you invest in a brain

Or even an intro. to psychology text if the first is to expensive. No psychologist would ever dispute that someone who is male gender in our culture would be female gender in some other cultures of the world, without anything about them changing. I could go back to college in January and have a psychology degree in May. I know what I'm talking about, as do many others here. Some are even practicing psychologists. Others, while having not studying psychology, have taken the time to research this issue and so even if they disagree with the idea of surgery, they agree that being transgendered in itself is not a psychological problem and that sex and gender are two very distinct things

if you are going to talk about an issue being a psychological one, you should have the common sense to at least know the psychological definitions of the terms you are using, especially if you are engaging in conversation with people who have studied psychology. Right now you are telling us that even though you don't know the most basic, common undisputable definitions of psychology terms such as sex and gender, and which the APA even defines the difference of on their website, you personally are qualified to determine whether or not an issue is a psychological problem (not to mention all the statements you have made that counter wellknown knowledge on the issue that even those who don't approve of transsexual surgery admit are true). Even a person uneducated in psychology who did the most minimal research possible on this topic and read just 1 page of the APA's website about transgenderedness could tell you that all your posts heretofor on this topic are purely BS. And yet you expect us to believe you have the remotest clue about transgenderness and psychology.

Next time you speak on an issue, take the time to look something up about it, as there are people here that will undoubtedly know about the issue, and likely indepthly as well. The way you are talking about transgendered in this thread, is really no different than describing the phsyical characteristics of a potato when asked about a banana, and then critizing those who point out the truth because you feel your desire of a potato being a banana is more real than all the proof in the world of what a banana actually is.

If you truly believed that transgendered was a psychological issue, you wouldn't need to distort the truth at all, let alone half as much as you already have up to this point, and you wouldn't need to change the definitions of well-known terms in psychology to support your argument now would you?

Sorry, sorry. I'm just too busy laughing up my insides at you mentioning "known psychological terms", the APA, etc.
Clearly; you have misinterpreted what they mean and have said!! Also, it seems you are using some strictly American definitions of words!! Man, you are funny!
Tell me, tell me - what specific gene sequence have psychologists labelled as causing transexuality? You do realize if these psychologists have 100% identified ssuch - look closer, they say maybe, than the result would constitute a physiological error holding psychological issues throughout life? Empowering a neurological disorder like that, by allowing mutilation, is the same as allowing any mentally unstable person to harm themselves.
Please, feel free to fail to get that psychology degree
Many psychologists' have a purpose in helping those with neurological disorders along those lines - not enabling them.

Ever read any stories of regret from transsexuals? Try it; it ought to change your perspective.

Their is a BIG difference in "sex" and "gender". Sex refers to your sexual organs, a Man has a penis, and a woman has a Vagina. However, Gender is socially defined. Society says that little boys play with trucks, and girl wear dresses. and if anyone crosses the lines that society has made, then they are penalized for it. It is very possible for there to be someone with One set of sexual organs, but their inside is different. (Meaning a person with male organs, and is female on the inside, and vice versa) No, it is NOT a disease/illness to want to be the opposite sex. and it isn't an illness or disease to feel you were born the wrong sex either.


anyway, I feel so awful that this poor old guy had this happen.

So your laughing because I brought up the truth and standard international definitions of terms in psychology rather than using your distorted ones? Were you really so silly is to think I'd fall for your game of stupidity.


And yes I've read stories of transexuals. And I know transexuals first hand. I can point you out a girl, who'd you swear to god was always female, when she just started going through the MtF process a couple years ago. I'm also transgendered myself. Thats one of the reasons I know so much about the truth is this matter and could tell from post 1 that you had never taken 10 seconds to research anything about it. if you had read about transexuals, you would know that first you go through two years of counseling to make sure that you don't have psychological issues leading you to feel this way, and then you have to go through a year of fully living in your gender 100% of the time, before you can get the surgery


As I said before, you really need to take the time to research something before making claims, because there are people here who have done so such, and know such topics indepthyly and they will find you out every time without even trying

Your need to distort such wellknown facts to provide support for your irrational belief against transexuals says alot about your own psychological state, and nothing positive. One could tell alot about you if they looked into why you are so afraid of those who are different from the standard ways of being


*By the way, I graduated college with straight A's twice and psychology was one of my best subjects, and aside from my major the subject I took the most courses in. You don't even know the most basic terms that someone who took an intro to psych course wouldn't consider disputing, and even though thats been proven eyond a doubt in this thread you are still refusing to admit to the truth and holding on to your lies. That also says alot about your current psychological state, and again, its nothing positive or anything to brag about. Next time try doing a teensy bit of research before proclaiming yourself an expert, than you won't end up showing the world you are an idiot again as you have done here. Though the irrational fears you are showing to have against transexuals in this thread show you won't be willing to do any research on the topic because you want to hide from the truth as best as possible. It would be quite interesting to speak to you a bit and find out about those fears - are you a transexual yourself afraid of not being accepted? or were you hurt by a transexual and your pain of such caused you to be afraid of all transexuals rather than just the one that excercised power of you? Those are the two most likely reasons for someone behaving in your manner. The one thing we can say for sure right now is that you have an irrational fear of transexuals and will distort the truth by whatever means neccessary to support that fear. The why requires a little more input from you but going by your behavior heretofor you fear of transexuals is probably to great for you to be willing to share the why publically at this time. I'll be glad to talk to you privately and help you overcome this fear as your need to distort the truth so significantly here and not admit when you are proven to be wrong shows this fear is holding significant power of you and affecting you daily in ways you may not yet be aware. Feel free to pm me and I'll give you the best therapy I can. All I would need is experimental psych and capstone seminar to hold a psychology degree, so I'm not much different from a psychologist who just started.