Appalled By How Cop Handles Teenage Girl!

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Lol stupid me, I zoned in on this thread...thinking the support of all the cops actions and pretending like they acted entirely reasonable was some kind of consensus most agreed to, I was disturbed by this obviously. Turns out its all over face-book and everywhere else and I and those here who take error with the officers actions are far from the only ones...whew there is sanity in the interwebs, and many people seem to agree that a teenage girl in a bikini should not be taken down the same as say a large potentially armed male and it appears the officer was leaning towards the former.

Sure maybe he was aggravated and pissed off having to deal with a bunch of kids...but I'd say long before he took her down the video shows him acting inappropriately, and potentially helping aggravate the situation. Well someone who cannot keep a cool head and starts acting out like that officer when dealing with a situation like that shouldn't be a cop...I could care less if the guy goes home hits a punching bag or rants about all the crap he dealt with that day to his family or what not but when dealing with a call that is not the time and place to take out your anger like he was. And as other posters pointed out the officer could have tackled any of the bigger girls that where talking more crap, or any of the males that 'rushed' him...why the most passive girl there with nothing but a bathing suit on? Guess that cops an ass as well as a coward.

As always, the media is blowing stuff out of proportion by not reporting the whole picture.

You need to know that this party had already been the site of multiple physical fights, very loud music and the party's own hired security was having lots of trouble keeping things under control. Also, the party was apparently leaked to social media and there were teens who did not live in the are nor were acquaintances of the home owners, arriving in droves and jumping over the fence to get into the property.

The video you see was shot sometime inside the 45 minutes the police were at the party. Witnesses have testified that this cop arrived first and was alone trying to handle the out of control teens for ~15 minutes before his backup arrived... meaning the video was shot after that time (since you see other officers). The witnesses also state this officer had been ordering teens to sit down and not move as well as telling others to disperse and leave the property and that while some teens obeyed, many did not. Some even got verbal and combative with him. This officer had already handcuffed several teens, including white boys and girls and had run out of handcuffs. This girl was one of those that ignored the officer and kept running around the area.

In the video you do see him still telling the kids to sit down and others to walk away.

Now here's the thing.. do you see the media showing what happened just before the officer grabs the girl? No. That is very conveniently cut out from the video. All videos I can find show him already grabbing her. Witnesses say the girl had been part of a group that had constantly refused to sit down or leave and apparently when the officer told her directly to leave she refused and that is when the officer grabbed her and forced her down. She resisted and it ended up being that 'violent' incident.

I see people crying foul about him drawing his weapon... did the fact that the officer became surrounded by teens , first a bunch of girls which he pushed away and then 2 rather big male teens coming in from the side as if they were going to rush him? You even see the other two officers running to the guy ...and that is not a run that started when the officer drew his weapon, they were already running towards him when those two guys came up at the officer.

Yes, he used force on her. You can even see it was a rather violent way of dealing with her. You need to put yourself on the shoes of this officer who for about 45 minutes had been trying to get this bunch of out of control teens dispersed or under control and then he gets one person that resists and struggles and THEN two guys rush him. His actions were not out of place imo.

But hey, the media is getting their ratings boosted and now another police racial scandal is being brewed..protesters showing up, etc... expect riots and looting soon to follow.

And remember the irate officer wasn't the only cop there but you don't see the others wigging out like him. So there's no excuses or the other cops would have been acting the same as him. He was losing it.

Really so you know why the cops where called in the first place? Well share with us your obvious knowledge since clearly you know even more than the article says about the situation....where you there? Also if you weren't attaching emotion to the situation you wouldn't be so hellbent on defending the officers actions and disregarding the logical conclusion that care should be taken when 'taking down' a teenage girl in a bathing suit more so than say a fully clothed potentially armed person 'actively' causing trouble and resisting....due to the obvious facts that the former is going to be weaker and easier to harm than the latter that and its a teenage girl. But maybe he heard about the one that was shot and killed here for being in an allegedly stolen car and figured based on that there was no need for him to hold back, apparently making an example of little girls is becoming a trend.

I imagine there is some emotional basis for your consistent defense of anything to do with the government/state, and what seems to be disdain for the more average citizen that can sometimes face abuse/harrasment or inappropriate behavior on the part of said system...I don't know what the 'logical basis without emotion' for that would be...which can only mean one thing...

A shot from the left:

Thank you for altering my quote to serve your counter argument better , but anyone with a brain will be able to scroll back and see what I really posted. Also last I checked it is a teenage girl and how do you know how much she weighs? Or that if she weighs that she's one of the strong ones? And then even if all that where true the cop is fully clothed in a sturdy police uniform, armed, bigger than the girl ect....so still would have the upper hand. Then last but not least you said it yourself she was not actively resisting so that much force was never necessary right? Or have you decided it was active resistance now? Also juding by the video the cop demanded they 'leave' and she walked off the same way as those other girls who where more lingering and appears to have been obeying the order. Until some other talk from the bigger girls and a couple guys is heard and the cop says something like 'you know what' rushes the poor girl and practically tackles her as she's leaving then you hear fearful screaming...something tells me you're now grasping.

I never suggested this was a 'game', though some of the cops sure seem to think its a game...a fun one where they can use their authority to abuse people and take out their aggression on them. And I didn't experience this, that teenage girl did...so why are you lecturing me about obeying orders? Also rushing and practically tackling a half nude girl isn't a very clear 'order' what was she supposed to do just go limp and 100% docile when something big attacks her? Looks to me like she was making panicked movements, understandably...not resisting arrest. Also there is no clear evidence this girl wasn't 'doing what the police said' the officer said to leave, she was leaving yet she gets targeted when there are much louder more obnoxious lingerers, with more clothes...why didn't he go for one of them? Probably still would look bad, but the way he targets the smallest, least clothed most passive one in the group who appears to be obeying orders at the time of his tackling of her makes it look much worse.

Maybe one day you will experience inappropriate conduct from an officer regardless how much you 'do as the cops tell you' cause its not hard...and then maybe you'll understand the concept of sometimes the police and/or government can be wrong in the wrong, or sometimes they may not play by the rules even if you are. But if the idea that only people who deserve it or are in the wrong suffer these kinds of things helps you sleep at night.....I guess its easier to assume there had to be a justified reason for the cops behavior than being able to see he was acting like a loose cannon even before taking that girl down contrary to the other officers, which is bad news no matter how you slice it or defend it.

And where did you get all this information....the media?

If you see the video itself, the other officers are barely shown. What do you expect them to be doing to make a point? See the other two wrestling kids to the ground? You also need to understand that in situations like that, the officers do not separate, they stay in sight of each other...one officer is doing the running around the other two controlling those who have complied or been cuffed. The times you do see the other officers they are also telling the teens to disperse and doing crowd control.

'Losing it' is relative. You're focusing only 2 minutes tops of footage showing this one cop running around and when he 'loses it' according to you is when he gets a girl refusing his order to leave and struggling when she is forced to sit and then when the two bigger guys rush him and he draws his weapon.

Its not a good situation to be in and it sucks it happened. Frankly though, its ridiculous to see teens not following directions from not one but three officers in a situation that is obviously not a party anymore (people cuffed and such already).

But is the police state going to allow the results of the examination to remain unaltered?

From articles and witnesses on camera being interviewed yes.

The 'media' that is milking the situation for ratings are the big news outlets focusing exclusively on the girl being thrown down and the weapon drawn and saying nothing about what was going on. Those are the ones most people watch, apparently yourself included if you did not know any of the details I typed earlier.

I disagree. If you watch the whole video:



That particular officer seems to be behaving oddly for far longer than two minutes. He sits on her for longer than that.

I noticed watching this again that the two guys were backing off before he drew his gun. I don't think he needed to take it out.

At one point before the main 'incident' it looks like two of the officers sort of grab that officer to try to calm/stop him at some point, at least that is what the body language seemed to say...they wouldn't do that if they didn't think he hadn't maybe lost it a little and was overdoing it. I've seen many times guys holding back a friend/peer from getting more physical than they ought to be and that is what it looked like. Of course when the other officers aren't shown to be in the exact same area he goes and tackles that girl. If its true he was the only officer handling it initially and he was perhaps getting frustrated....I can sort of see that. But the last thing you need when dealing with minors is an irritated cop who appears to get angrier and angrier throughout the video, like a loose cannon....I mean even before the incident it seemed he was losing his head/not thinking...which is very bad since cops are armed and trained to use force, though apparently mindfulness needs to become part of their curriculum to become cops.

The getting head examined thing was a kind of a tongue-in-cheek parody considering that they will immediately send out a S.W.A.T-force to surround & apprehend you if you dare to "Question Authority" (like I do all the time ) because they've been brain-washed & indoctrinated into believing & thinking that anybody who who engages in such non-conformist behaviours against their conformist-cult must have something wrong with him & needs to get his head examined by one of their cult-member Psychiatrists™...

...some of my experience with POLICE-STATE USA also include:

* Police/Lawyers/Attourneys/Judges/etc., are forbidden from "making friends" with anybody in the civilian population, due to such communications being made "illegal" and in fact, they aren't even allowed to talk to civilians if it's not in some sort of "enforcement" or "court-trial" context

* Judges will threaten you with Contempt-of-Court charges for even trying to utter the word "Constitution" (despite the fact that judges are supposed to have an Oath-of-Office that promises to uphold the Constitution)

* They will demand that you pay them even more money despite the fact that you had already paid everything IN FULL that was previously demanded by them (you can be as "law-abiding" as possible and it makes no difference how "law-abiding" you want to be since they're running & operating a criminal Racketeering Scheme to begin with and they are the thieving Criminals !)

Anybody who thinks that I will EVER make a "tax-payment" EVER again (whether it be in the form of fines or fees or licenses or licensing or otherwise) can take their god-damn "government-issued 'papers'" and shove them up their own ass.

People trespassing on private property was why they were called; assaulting a security guard, other scuffles, and making a disturbance (whilst trespassing), were what was reported.

I'm only defending what I see in the video, and there's nothing out of the ordinary. The one thing we don't see that can point to specific things is why that one female was singled out.

Yes, abuse and misuse of force happens, but I'm not seeing it in this video.

Yeah, no.

Explain how he should have taken her down by resisting his efforts to restrain her. Whilst she wasn't fighting, she was applying force against his, meaning he has to respond with more force. So, how do you do it?

The latter is the pertinent point. You can't see why he singled her out.

What's that?

He's holding her on the ground pending backup? He's putting her on the ground so she's restrained?