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27 Jul 2015, 9:59 am

Speaking of destructive drugs, don't forget meth:

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27 Jul 2015, 10:06 am

Heroin as probably less harmful the many other drugs, I understand. Unfortunately, it's a very potent, extremely pleasurable, and highly addictive substance. The biggest danger is overdosing, obviously – especially for those who get clean, then start shooting again, not understanding that they're tolerance for the drug has diminished.

Keith Richards was addicted to Heroin for a decade, and survived the experience by using only pharmaceutical grade, while being ever vigilante of the dosage he was injecting. He stated in his autobiography that he kept himself at baseline most of the time.


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27 Jul 2015, 10:29 am

I wouldn't wish Heroin addiction or the resulting death on anybody. My heart goes out to her dad and the rest of her family.


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27 Jul 2015, 10:43 am

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Heroin as probably less harmful the many other drugs, I understand. Unfortunately, it's a very potent, extremely pleasurable, and highly addictive substance. The biggest danger is overdosing, obviously – especially for those who get clean, then start shooting again, not understanding that they're tolerance for the drug has diminished.

Keith Richards was addicted to Heroin for a decade, and survived the experience by using only pharmaceutical grade, while being ever vigilante of the dosage he was injecting. He stated in his autobiography that he kept himself at baseline most of the time.



This is the kind of response I am critiquing, this insidious lie that heroin is less harmful than many other drugs. That is a boldface lie they circulate to get you hooked on it. Why? Because the drug originally had a reputation among recreational users as something that wasn't fun so people didn't want to buy it and take it and boom no heroin market because of that reputation and that reputation was rampant during the 1980s, in the club scene, where the biggest drug markets were. The manufacturers knew they had a highly addictive drug that people would take more and more of (that means selling more per person) if they could just convince everyone it's harmless, warm and huggy. So, let's start this marketing campaign based on lies in order to get people addicted to the drug we can make the most money on since it's extremely difficult to kick plus it has a super high tolerance rate. That means even if it makes you feel like pure sh*t which it does, you have to keep taking more and more or you will get deathly, physically ill. What a perfect combination if you want to make billions of dollars! The more you get addicted, the more money you will surely make.

Don't believe the lies about it being harmless or feeling good because it's just that. Lies. It's fabrication of the highest order. The evidence is there. Heroin is extremely harmful. Nothing but harmful. If you don't believe me, just look up heroin casualties then come back here and tell me it's less harmful. Seriously I cannot believe the kind of misinformation people will regurgitate just because it's heroin. What special magic that drug holds I am completely oblivious to and will always be.



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27 Jul 2015, 11:06 am

Heroin in music:

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U2 "She runs through the streets/With her eyes painted red/Under black belly of cloud in the rain/In through a doorway she brings me/White gold and pearls stolen from the sea/She is raging/She is raging/And the storm blows up in her eyes/She will . . ./Suffer the needle chill/She's running to stand still . . ."


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Nine Inch Nails "I hurt myself today/To see if I still feel/I focus on the pain/The only thing that's real/The needle tears a hole/The old familiar sting/Try to kill it all away/But I remember everything . . ."


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The Velvet Underground. "I don't know just where I'm going/But I'm gonna try for the kingdom, if I can/Cause it makes me feel like I'm a man/When I put a spike into my vein/And I'll tell ya, things aren't quite the same/When I'm rushing on my run/And I feel just like Jesus' son . . ."


I have no evidence, but speculate that many abusers of the drugs mentioned are seeking remedies to undiagnosed mental and psychological illness.



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27 Jul 2015, 11:58 am

I would say that alcohol is a far more harmful drug Heroin – if abused, that is. Listen to what I'm saying, here. I'm not endorsing Heroin or any drug. My point is the drug itself isn't as harmful to the body as some might think if small doses are taken. However, because it is so pleasurable and additive, the potential is very high that the average user will abuse it and die.

If people are stupid enough to believe any propaganda regarding a street drug without doing research on it...well, I hate to say this, but you can't protect stupid people. All anyone has to do is Google Heroin and you'll plenty but bad stuff about it – including a long list of celebrities who died of overdoses.


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27 Jul 2015, 12:26 pm

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I would say that alcohol is a far more harmful drug Heroin – if abused, that is. Listen to what I'm saying, here. I'm not endorsing Heroin or any drug. My point is the drug itself isn't as harmful to the body as some might think if small doses are taken. However, because it is so pleasurable and additive, the potential is very high that the average user will abuse it and die.

If people are stupid enough to believe any propaganda regarding a street drug without doing research on it...well, I hate to say this, but you can't protect stupid people. All anyone has to do is Google Heroin and you'll plenty but bad stuff about it – including a long list of celebrities who died of overdoses.


Alcohol is only more harmful because it is actually still easier to get and more widespread than heroin but imagine, if one day, heroin were as widely available, in heroin stores much like alcohol is widely availables in liquor stores. You would discover the effects would be as harmful as alcohol. Might even be worse. You cannot compare the two right now because alcohol is relatively easy to obtain while with heroin, it's not advertised and you have to go search for it until you find it.



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27 Jul 2015, 12:41 pm

Make no mistake, there aren't very many people who could use Heroin in a responsible manner. If your seeking that sort of oblivion, you will not stop at mild recreational use.

Having said that, I believe it should be decriminalized, along with all other street drugs. The crime factor associated with criminalized substances does far more harm to society than the drugs themselves.


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27 Jul 2015, 1:16 pm

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Make no mistake, there aren't very many people who could use Heroin in a responsible manner. If your seeking that sort of oblivion, you will not stop at mild recreational use.

Having said that, I believe it should be decriminalized, along with all other street drugs. The crime factor associated with criminalized substances does far more harm to society than the drugs themselves.

I agree. Some people are seeking death. So be it.



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27 Jul 2015, 1:54 pm

ALL « mind-altering » substances are poisonous for as far as I'm concerned.
Already know what it's like to have « medications/psycho-tropics » (Note: Not medicines) within my system before I later on learned & figured out what was going on & how the industry itself is actually fraudulent.


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27 Jul 2015, 1:57 pm

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Make no mistake, there aren't very many people who could use Heroin in a responsible manner. If your seeking that sort of oblivion, you will not stop at mild recreational use.

Having said that, I believe it should be decriminalized, along with all other street drugs. The crime factor associated with criminalized substances does far more harm to society than the drugs themselves.


The only thing I am advocating is tell the truth about heroin. No more of this warm fuzzy talk about it being harmless and huggy. Talk about how it paralyzes and how scary and awful that heroin period of immobility is and most of the heroin effect is like that. That's what convinced me it's not worth doing. Of course it won't stop everybody. I believe people deserve the truth about it, not lies, then decide if they want to take it.



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27 Jul 2015, 2:10 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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i just reviewed opiate side effects no my doctors' website "medscape". paranoia is not even a rare symptom of opiates.

and then there's this:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 001945.htm



Please read my posts! Heroin is not like the others hence it's Schedule 1. It's too strong to be a pleasant experience. It's like taking too much of one all at once. So you are not going to see the effects listed with the legal ones because if they had the same effects as heroin, they would be illegal as well...like heroin. It's illegal for a reason. So you are going to post a bunch of info on my thread that has nothing to do with the drug heroin. All "opiates" are not the same.


please read my posts. the link above describes the effects of heroin and is a very reliable site. i agree that heroin addiction is a problem, but trying to fight it with the falsehood that heroin causes paranoia helps no one. it just makes people doubt you.



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27 Jul 2015, 2:59 pm

cathylynn wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
i just reviewed opiate side effects no my doctors' website "medscape". paranoia is not even a rare symptom of opiates.

and then there's this:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 001945.htm



Please read my posts! Heroin is not like the others hence it's Schedule 1. It's too strong to be a pleasant experience. It's like taking too much of one all at once. So you are not going to see the effects listed with the legal ones because if they had the same effects as heroin, they would be illegal as well...like heroin. It's illegal for a reason. So you are going to post a bunch of info on my thread that has nothing to do with the drug heroin. All "opiates" are not the same.


please read my posts. the link above describes the effects of heroin and is a very reliable site. i agree that heroin addiction is a problem, but trying to fight it with the falsehood that heroin causes paranoia helps no one. it just makes people doubt you.


http://ezinearticles.com/?Signs-of-a-He ... id=3360571
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Possible Signs of a Heroin Addict

- Pupils of the eyes are very small in reduced lighting conditions when pupils normally dilate
- Track marks - If a person is right handed, he normally uses his right hand to inject himself in the left arm and left handed person normally injects into the right arm. As the tracks become progressively more visible, addicts will often wear long sleeves to hide the marks.
- Collapsed veins - Injecting repeatedly into the same vein over and over again will cause the vein to collapse or "blow out". After a period of time, all veins in the arms may be blown out. At that point, the addict usually turns to veins located behind the knee or on the back of the hands.
- Increase or decrease in appetite, changes in eating habits, unexplained weight loss or gain
- Change in overall attitude / personality with no other identifiable cause
- Changes in friends, new hang-outs, avoidance of old crowd, new friends are drug users
- Change in activities, loss of interest in things that were important before
- Drop in school or work performance, skips or is late to school or work
- Changes in habits at home, loss of interest in family and family activities
- Difficulty in paying attention, forgetfulness
- Lack of motivation, energy, self-esteem, discipline
- Bored, "I don't care" attitude
- Defensiveness, temper tantrums, resentful behavior (everything's a hassle)
- Unexplained moodiness, irritability, or nervousness
- Violent temper or bizarre behavior
- Paranoia - heroin addiction often causes users to become suspiciousness just about everyone and everything
- Excessive need for privacy, keeps door locked or closed, won't let people in
- Secretive or suspicious behavior
- Car accidents, fender benders, household accidents
- Chronic dishonesty
- Trouble with the police
- Unexplained need for money, can't explain where money goes, stealing
- Change in personal grooming habits




Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/3360571

That motionless state is often quite distressing and scary but it's not what people talk about these days. They assume since it's an opiate, it's always a good thing. I am glad I got the inside scoop when things were more direct and honest than they are today.



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27 Jul 2015, 3:07 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
i just reviewed opiate side effects no my doctors' website "medscape". paranoia is not even a rare symptom of opiates.

and then there's this:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 001945.htm



Please read my posts! Heroin is not like the others hence it's Schedule 1. It's too strong to be a pleasant experience. It's like taking too much of one all at once. So you are not going to see the effects listed with the legal ones because if they had the same effects as heroin, they would be illegal as well...like heroin. It's illegal for a reason. So you are going to post a bunch of info on my thread that has nothing to do with the drug heroin. All "opiates" are not the same.


please read my posts. the link above describes the effects of heroin and is a very reliable site. i agree that heroin addiction is a problem, but trying to fight it with the falsehood that heroin causes paranoia helps no one. it just makes people doubt you.


http://ezinearticles.com/?Signs-of-a-He ... id=3360571
Quote:
Possible Signs of a Heroin Addict

- Pupils of the eyes are very small in reduced lighting conditions when pupils normally dilate
- Track marks - If a person is right handed, he normally uses his right hand to inject himself in the left arm and left handed person normally injects into the right arm. As the tracks become progressively more visible, addicts will often wear long sleeves to hide the marks.
- Collapsed veins - Injecting repeatedly into the same vein over and over again will cause the vein to collapse or "blow out". After a period of time, all veins in the arms may be blown out. At that point, the addict usually turns to veins located behind the knee or on the back of the hands.
- Increase or decrease in appetite, changes in eating habits, unexplained weight loss or gain
- Change in overall attitude / personality with no other identifiable cause
- Changes in friends, new hang-outs, avoidance of old crowd, new friends are drug users
- Change in activities, loss of interest in things that were important before
- Drop in school or work performance, skips or is late to school or work
- Changes in habits at home, loss of interest in family and family activities
- Difficulty in paying attention, forgetfulness
- Lack of motivation, energy, self-esteem, discipline
- Bored, "I don't care" attitude
- Defensiveness, temper tantrums, resentful behavior (everything's a hassle)
- Unexplained moodiness, irritability, or nervousness
- Violent temper or bizarre behavior
- Paranoia - heroin addiction often causes users to become suspiciousness just about everyone and everything
- Excessive need for privacy, keeps door locked or closed, won't let people in
- Secretive or suspicious behavior
- Car accidents, fender benders, household accidents
- Chronic dishonesty
- Trouble with the police
- Unexplained need for money, can't explain where money goes, stealing
- Change in personal grooming habits




Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/3360571

That motionless state is often quite distressing and scary but it's not what people talk about these days. They assume since it's an opiate, it's always a good thing. I am glad I got the inside scoop when things were more direct and honest than they are today.



are you equating ezine with the national institutes of health?



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27 Jul 2015, 3:08 pm

If you don't believe that, check out this Oxycontin abuse link. It's similar. One of the psychological symptoms is paranoia. So yes, it can indeed cause paranoia and I heard intense fear is present in that immobile state. It's very uncomfortable and this is what initially turned people off the drug back in the day but hey the heroin spell has been cast since then so...who would believe it now?

http://www.mtregis.com/prescription-dru ... s-symptoms

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Psychological symptoms:

Addiction
Anxiety
Depression
Panic attacks
Worsening of mental illnesses
Hallucinations
Paranoia
Delusions



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27 Jul 2015, 3:10 pm

cathylynn wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
i just reviewed opiate side effects no my doctors' website "medscape". paranoia is not even a rare symptom of opiates.

and then there's this:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 001945.htm



Please read my posts! Heroin is not like the others hence it's Schedule 1. It's too strong to be a pleasant experience. It's like taking too much of one all at once. So you are not going to see the effects listed with the legal ones because if they had the same effects as heroin, they would be illegal as well...like heroin. It's illegal for a reason. So you are going to post a bunch of info on my thread that has nothing to do with the drug heroin. All "opiates" are not the same.


please read my posts. the link above describes the effects of heroin and is a very reliable site. i agree that heroin addiction is a problem, but trying to fight it with the falsehood that heroin causes paranoia helps no one. it just makes people doubt you.


http://ezinearticles.com/?Signs-of-a-He ... id=3360571
Quote:
Possible Signs of a Heroin Addict

- Pupils of the eyes are very small in reduced lighting conditions when pupils normally dilate
- Track marks - If a person is right handed, he normally uses his right hand to inject himself in the left arm and left handed person normally injects into the right arm. As the tracks become progressively more visible, addicts will often wear long sleeves to hide the marks.
- Collapsed veins - Injecting repeatedly into the same vein over and over again will cause the vein to collapse or "blow out". After a period of time, all veins in the arms may be blown out. At that point, the addict usually turns to veins located behind the knee or on the back of the hands.
- Increase or decrease in appetite, changes in eating habits, unexplained weight loss or gain
- Change in overall attitude / personality with no other identifiable cause
- Changes in friends, new hang-outs, avoidance of old crowd, new friends are drug users
- Change in activities, loss of interest in things that were important before
- Drop in school or work performance, skips or is late to school or work
- Changes in habits at home, loss of interest in family and family activities
- Difficulty in paying attention, forgetfulness
- Lack of motivation, energy, self-esteem, discipline
- Bored, "I don't care" attitude
- Defensiveness, temper tantrums, resentful behavior (everything's a hassle)
- Unexplained moodiness, irritability, or nervousness
- Violent temper or bizarre behavior
- Paranoia - heroin addiction often causes users to become suspiciousness just about everyone and everything
- Excessive need for privacy, keeps door locked or closed, won't let people in
- Secretive or suspicious behavior
- Car accidents, fender benders, household accidents
- Chronic dishonesty
- Trouble with the police
- Unexplained need for money, can't explain where money goes, stealing
- Change in personal grooming habits




Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/3360571

That motionless state is often quite distressing and scary but it's not what people talk about these days. They assume since it's an opiate, it's always a good thing. I am glad I got the inside scoop when things were more direct and honest than they are today.



are you equating ezine with the national institutes of health?



I am equating real life experience with information I trust. I saw some guy on heroin attack someone with a broken bottle once. You wouldn't believe that from what you read about it online, would you, because heroin addicts are so docile. That's the lie you have been fed but real life is different entirely.