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14 Jun 2017, 7:53 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Who exactly is Steve Scalise, a man Trump calls a "true American patriot"? in 2014 he was a keynote speaker at a white supremacist conference where he spoke about "protecting white civil rights" and the "bias against white Louisianans in getting government housing assistance" (he alleged) given "preferential treatment to black Americans"
This scumbag is a throwback to the days when Lousiana was ruled by the Klu Klux Klan
This scumbag is a throwback to the days when Lousiana was ruled by the Klu Klux Klan
Hillary Clinton with former Senator Robert Byrd (former KKK member).
As for ACA, I discussed the issue in detail previously...
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The problem is and it's a big problem. The middle class can no longer afford health insurance. When insurance premiums is your second biggest expense, some have to forgo health insurance. When family premiums is equal to their mortgage payments and maximum out of pocket is equal to a new Honda Civic, it's no longer affordable. That's why many are self-insuring and medical tourism is on the rise. As the risk, is usually cheaper...
Yes, millions that didn't have health insurance now do. But now millions that had health insurance, don't. Since these people are so post to fund the majority of the system. Why should they pay a "penalty" so poor people can have something they can't afford them self? Most don't and enjoy a exemption... Hardship is the most common and easily proved, let the electric bill slip and get a shutoff notice (doesn't need to be shutoff, just need the letter).
Now that ACA is underfunded and is no longer profitable for providers. Lots of them pulled out, more set for next year in my state. The list is short for Florida, none offer PPO when I looked (I dislike HMO).
Yes, millions that didn't have health insurance now do. But now millions that had health insurance, don't. Since these people are so post to fund the majority of the system. Why should they pay a "penalty" so poor people can have something they can't afford them self? Most don't and enjoy a exemption... Hardship is the most common and easily proved, let the electric bill slip and get a shutoff notice (doesn't need to be shutoff, just need the letter).
Now that ACA is underfunded and is no longer profitable for providers. Lots of them pulled out, more set for next year in my state. The list is short for Florida, none offer PPO when I looked (I dislike HMO).
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SH90 wrote:
Hillary Clinton with former Senator Robert Byrd (former KKK member).
Hillary probably had no choice to embrace him given he became a respectable democrat in the early 1950s. But he's a fossil.
But meanwhile in 2017 here's the KKK reaction to Donald trump's win
Former KKK head David Duke celebrates Donald Trump's inauguration: 'We did it!'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 38371.html
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15 Jun 2017, 1:13 am
GoonSquad wrote:
The idea that the ACA is causing people to be uninsured is nonsense.
Ask the middle class, self employed or small business owner... I know plenty people, who are uninsured or paying out the rear for insurance (myself)... Recently unemployed middle class, who can't afford health insurance through the market or Cobra would be another example.
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The ACA does not affect employer provided insurance at all--except that it probably makes things generally cheaper because providers have fewer uninsured patients and losses to absorb.
Sorry, I can't keep a straight face here... It cost, and does it COST. If you ever get chance to see how much how much the employer's portion on your health insurance cost, you would be shocked (most cover about 80%). Then maybe people would understand why employers offer crappy plans (and how much premiums increased). Because they are forced to offer a one size fits all; use to have options and now I am force to buy coverage, I would never use.
GoonSquad wrote:
The fact is, the ACA has reduced the number of uninsured drastically because of medicaid expansion, and that has reduced costs for everyone. Even if you don't see it.
I wouldn't want it... Practically no one accepts medicaid around here, because it pays so little. You are then left with cut rate medical providers. No thanks.
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The bottom line is,if you don't like the price of health insurance now, you'll f****n' hate it under the GOP plan. When/if they repeal the ACA insurance won't get cheaper, most people will just drop their policy and stiff the people who do have insurance WHEN THEY GET SICK. ...and they will get sick eventually because everyone does. That isn't a solution. That's just crazy.
A sizable portion of middle class have already dropped insurance, because of insane prices... If someone is not insured, they are not stiffing people who have insurance. Because they are not insured, they pay out of pocket (at a cash discounted rate)... NOT being insured, means NOT coming from a insurance fund (so not stiffing people one insurance).
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Look, I agrees that the ACA is broken. Subsidies stop at 400% federal poverty level but costs are so high that even people at that income level cannot afford coverage. But, the solution isn't to cut medicaid and give rich people a tax cut. The solution is single payer system where everyone has equal and adequate access to basic care.
Every other country in the world does it. We can too.
Every other country in the world does it. We can too.
How do we pay for this? I am sure the poor would complain and want to stick it to the rich... Also, other countries health insurance is not ideal. It's not efficient or effective... Plus being very expensive.
15 Jun 2017, 1:24 am
15 Jun 2017, 2:06 am
SH90 wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
The idea that the ACA is causing people to be uninsured is nonsense.
Ask the middle class, self employed or small business owner... I know plenty people, who are uninsured or paying out the rear for insurance (myself)... Recently unemployed middle class, who can't afford health insurance through the market or Cobra would be another example.
GoonSquad wrote:
The ACA does not affect employer provided insurance at all--except that it probably makes things generally cheaper because providers have fewer uninsured patients and losses to absorb.
Sorry, I can't keep a straight face here... It cost, and does it COST. If you ever get chance to see how much how much the employer's portion on your health insurance cost, you would be shocked (most cover about 80%). Then maybe people would understand why employers offer crappy plans (and how much premiums increased). Because they are forced to offer a one size fits all; use to have options and now I am force to buy coverage, I would never use.
GoonSquad wrote:
The fact is, the ACA has reduced the number of uninsured drastically because of medicaid expansion, and that has reduced costs for everyone. Even if you don't see it.
I wouldn't want it... Practically no one accepts medicaid around here, because it pays so little. You are then left with cut rate medical providers. No thanks.
GoonSquad wrote:
The bottom line is,if you don't like the price of health insurance now, you'll f****n' hate it under the GOP plan. When/if they repeal the ACA insurance won't get cheaper, most people will just drop their policy and stiff the people who do have insurance WHEN THEY GET SICK. ...and they will get sick eventually because everyone does. That isn't a solution. That's just crazy.
A sizable portion of middle class have already dropped insurance, because of insane prices... If someone is not insured, they are not stiffing people who have insurance. Because they are not insured, they pay out of pocket (at a cash discounted rate)... NOT being insured, means NOT coming from a insurance fund (so not stiffing people one insurance).
GoonSquad wrote:
Look, I agrees that the ACA is broken. Subsidies stop at 400% federal poverty level but costs are so high that even people at that income level cannot afford coverage. But, the solution isn't to cut medicaid and give rich people a tax cut. The solution is single payer system where everyone has equal and adequate access to basic care.
Every other country in the world does it. We can too.
Every other country in the world does it. We can too.
How do we pay for this? I am sure the poor would complain and want to stick it to the rich... Also, other countries health insurance is not ideal. It's not efficient or effective... Plus being very expensive.
This has pretty much been my most reliable source regarding this matter. My aunt also is one of those who works for not much above minimum wage and had a great healthcare plan through her employer. Then it was replaced with a pos plan she couldn't afford that offered less coverage and a gigantic deductible. And since then it's just gotten steadily worse.
The only people I see defending Obamacare are the ones who aren't paying a huge some of money monthly for something that doesn't kick in until they pay out ten thousand dollars and then it only covers 50% of costs after that ten grand out of pocket, if they're lucky.
People who claim they study this, annd then argue in favor of the current system, must be limiting their sources to very misleading information and take it at face value.
15 Jun 2017, 2:38 am
