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17 May 2008, 8:33 pm

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Back last year in August the PPR forum was full of Ad Hominems. To a lesser degree there are still some offenders in this trade, but most have moved to Zomg or I2.


That just ignores all my other points. Read my posts--I won't bother to repeat them.



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17 May 2008, 8:37 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Back last year in August the PPR forum was full of Ad Hominems. To a lesser degree there are still some offenders in this trade, but most have moved to Zomg or I2.


That just ignores all my other points. Read my posts--I won't bother to repeat them.


I read it. You think attacking people wholesale with sweeping generalizations is any better than attacking one person specifically? What am I to get out of it other than a rationalization for stereotyping, which in Stimshieme's signature you disapprove of?



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17 May 2008, 8:45 pm

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You think attacking people wholesale with sweeping generalizations is any better than attacking one person specifically?


So there is no difference between someone who needlessly insults you and someone who tries to have a reasoned debate? Not all individuals are the same--so they should be treated differently based on their behavior.

That's also why you can rightfully insult someone who does not play by the rules but not attack people as a group.

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What am I to get out of it other than a rationalization for stereotyping, which in Stimshieme's signature you disprove of?


Non-sequitor. How is stereotyping the same as treating individuals based on how they behave?



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17 May 2008, 8:47 pm

It is cute that atheists are trying to bring up emotions into this issue. I highly doubt many of you atheists criticize the people who post hateful comments about religion.

I don't agree in attacking people on their beliefs but what do I care about Stimshieme's signature? I've seen worse by atheists. Derailing a thread because of it is stupid.



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17 May 2008, 8:54 pm

I think Asperger's is the problem here because:

1) Aspies have a hard time seeing things from other points of view.
2) Aspies lack empathy.
3) Aspies have perseverate interests, which can make people dogmatic, at least where they become obsessed with particular points of view.
4) Aspies tend to be black-white. Maybe this is why so many aspies are either far-right or far-left politically.

In all honesty, I'm reluctant to debate this issue. The problem with debating aspies, myself included, is that aspies are so obsessive that they just never stop debating an issue.

Aspies also have a hard time knowing what's rude and what isn't, which can be frustrating.



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17 May 2008, 8:56 pm

oscuria wrote:
It is cute that atheists are trying to bring up emotions into this issue. I highly doubt many of you atheists criticize the people who post hateful comments about religion.

I don't agree in attacking people on their beliefs but what do I care about Stimshieme's signature? I've seen worse by atheists. Derailing a thread because of it is stupid.



This is Gold.


-Two wrongs don't make a right.
-That just ignores all the nuances that have been brought up and exemplifies aspy thinking.

A problem with debating aspies is that they're black-and-white to the point of not tolerating any nuance or complexity in an issue.



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17 May 2008, 9:00 pm

IpsoRandomo wrote:

-Two wrongs don't make a right.
-That just ignores all the nuances that have been brought up and exemplifies aspy thinking.

A problem with debating aspies is that they're black-and-white to the point of not tolerating any nuance or complexity in an issue.



I'm offended by your avatar.



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17 May 2008, 9:05 pm

oscuria wrote:
IpsoRandomo wrote:

-Two wrongs don't make a right.
-That just ignores all the nuances that have been brought up and exemplifies aspy thinking.

A problem with debating aspies is that they're black-and-white to the point of not tolerating any nuance or complexity in an issue.



I'm offended by your avatar.

I am as well. But I support his right to have that avatar, just as I support Stimshieme's right to have a stupid and offensive sig. Free speech trumps your rights not to be offended. If you don't want to ever be offended, become a hermit.


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17 May 2008, 9:09 pm

oscuria wrote:
IpsoRandomo wrote:

-Two wrongs don't make a right.
-That just ignores all the nuances that have been brought up and exemplifies aspy thinking.

A problem with debating aspies is that they're black-and-white to the point of not tolerating any nuance or complexity in an issue.



I'm offended by your avatar.


You can't distinguish between insulting ideas and insulting people. This is another nuance mentioned in an earlier post, which proves my point that aspies are generally intolerant of nuance and complexity.

I'm no longer debating this issue. The whole debate keeps going in circles because no one bothers to consider the points I've raised.

That, and aspies tend to be obsessive, so the debate will never end.



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17 May 2008, 9:25 pm

Orwell wrote:
I am as well. But I support his right to have that avatar, just as I support Stimshieme's right to have a stupid and offensive sig. Free speech trumps your rights not to be offended. If you don't want to ever be offended, become a hermit.


I'm not really offended. I just find it ironic that he is offensive against Stimmy.

And I would LOVE to be a hermit. Maybe when I'm 50+ I'll find a temple to enter. :D






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You can't distinguish between insulting ideas and insulting people. This is another nuance mentioned in an earlier post, which proves my point that aspies are generally intolerant of nuance and complexity.

I'm no longer debating this issue. The whole debate keeps going in circles because no one bothers to consider the points I've raised.

That, and aspies tend to be obsessive, so the debate will never end.



Insulting ideas and insulting people? I'm trying to see a big difference. If you insulted an idea by calling it childish, you are in effect calling the followers childish. If an atheists say "Anyone who believes in this is an idiot" or "How can anyone believe in this idiocy?" as I've read here, are they insulting the idea, the people or both?



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17 May 2008, 9:31 pm

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Just would like to know. I've had people bashing me about it, frankly I can't see anything wrong my statements.


I'll do a point by point of what I think, but just to let you know that I'm not offended.

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Athiests drain wisdom. Wisdom that gives hope.
"They wish to cure us...and I say we are the cure" - Magneto
Athiests are people who have lost faith & imagination therfore have no character.
"I believe in Spinoza's God", Einstein


First of all, Atheis"t"s are the superficial subject, but Atheis"m" is the implied subject.

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Athiests drain wisdom. Wisdom that gives hope.


This is similar to what Noah Webster wrote:

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Atheism
A'THEISM, n. The disbelief of the existence of a God, or Supreme intelligent Being.

Atheism is a ferocious system that leaves nothing above us to excite awe, nor around us, to awaken tenderness.


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"They wish to cure us...and I say we are the cure" - Magneto


X-men, cool. In relation to belief in one God, I'd agree, but I know Christ and will serve Him.

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Athiests are people who have lost faith & imagination therfore have no character.


They have character, just a lot of them are fairly bitter and a statement like this pokes them the wrong way. They have definitely lost faith though and the ability to see any viewpoint outside theirs.

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"I believe in Spinoza's God", Einstein


Einstein didn't quite believe in God, but that the universe is God. Similar to the Stoics. See here: http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/345/

But there are a number of scientists who believed and believe in God: http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4991/120/



17 May 2008, 10:58 pm

I heard that lot of aspies don't believe in god because there is no proof god actually existed. That's what my ex told me but I dunno if it's true. He based this off of what he read on here by members who don't believe in him.



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17 May 2008, 11:34 pm

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I heard that lot of aspies don't believe in god because there is no proof god actually existed. That's what my ex told me but I dunno if it's true. He based this off of what he read on here by members who don't believe in him.


I agree most Aspies on this forum on the web, out of all those particular to having computer and internet by whatever means and being on here and are most vocal, seem to be of the anti-God crowd. However, their opinion doesn't make truth.

Proof of a deity is indirect, but then again should direct proof be required? Some people are so thick as to say, "I won't believe in God until Jesus knocks on my door" or some other like statement.

I don't want to make this thread into a debate on the existence of God though, because I have seen that no matter how I say things that, if it leads to God, it will never be accepted. So many threads are about the existence of God and how it is "unscientific" and how people who believe in Him are "stupid", "ignorant", "puppis tauri", "etc". It drives the opposition away when people are freely allowed to insult them, but the opposition has to take it and let it go. It's just not fair.

Anyway, this forum, based on polls I've made, contains about 60% Non-Christians.



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18 May 2008, 5:30 am

There is another point about that signature:

I think the signature should in first line tell me something about the person using it,
instead of telling me something about the people he/she dislikes.
You believe in God? So why don't you make a positive statement about that?

(Same critic goes for IpsoRandomos avatar. If religion is nonsense, how can it be so important to become your avatar?)


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18 May 2008, 7:58 am

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I like your signature. It's nice to see that you're giving those atheists with anti-Christian signatures a taste of their own medicine! :D


Don't forget the anti-Muslim, anti-Bhuddist atheists.


Huh. I didn't think those existed. To be honest, I thought atheists only got their jollies from attacking Christianity, because that seems to be their favorite past time.


Hmm...they do exist. I mean take for example the wheel that you have in Bhuddism people are saying it looks demonic thinking if life just revolves around that thing over and over again having no reward like heaven.

Islam? Well...you see it in the news all the time...people attacking mosques, men who look "Islamic" and some say that even Iraq is a so called "terrorist sate" I mean surely what the hell are they on about?



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18 May 2008, 10:03 am

I don't like what you say about Atheists, they are as nice and smart as religious people, the only difference is atheists believe in reality.


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