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08 Jun 2021, 7:39 pm

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Lending credence to the fantasy lends credence to violence.


Should one not be able to discuss those things?
People use dark comedy as a coping mechanism from trauma and I don't think it's reasonable to invalidate that.

She's allowed to express thoughts that make people uncomfortable.


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08 Jun 2021, 7:50 pm

I wouldn't go to any conference which seems to lend credence to murdering whites, murdering blacks, murdering anybody.

It seems like this is presented as something which is justifiable somehow, and not pathological.

There is absolutely no justification, no matter how much you are a victim of anything, to murdering somebody who did not explicitly seek to murder you.

I've been threatened because I am white. I was surrounded once by a bunch of black people on a street in Brooklyn. I was about to visit my (black) girlfriend's son in the emergency room. He had broken his thumb playing some sport (maybe baseball?) A chant arose, "Howard Beach, Howard Beach, Howard Beach."

Howard Beach, Queens was the site of a racially-motivated murder----a black person was led to his death by a white mob chasing him. He was chased onto a highway, where he was hit by a car, killing him.

Fortunately, something restrained them from actually attacking me and stealing stuff from me. After the incident, I NEVER even thought about harming black people in general. I just thought those people who chanted were a bunch of idiots, just like the Irish gang who surrounded me once were a bunch of idiots.



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08 Jun 2021, 7:53 pm

As far as I'm concerned, this is akin to a member of the Ku Klux Klan speaking at a serious academic conference about the "fantasy" of killing black people.



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08 Jun 2021, 7:58 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I wouldn't go to any conference which seems to lend credence to murdering whites, murdering blacks, murdering anybody.

It seems like this is presented as something which is justifiable somehow, and not pathological.

There is absolutely no justification, no matter how much you are a victim of anything, to murdering somebody who did not explicitly seek to murder you.

I've been threatened because I am white. I was surrounded once by a bunch of black people on a street in Brooklyn. I was about to visit my (black) girlfriend's son in the emergency room. He had broken his thumb playing some sport (maybe baseball?) A chant arose, "Howard Beach, Howard Beach, Howard Beach."

Howard Beach, Queens was the site of a racially-motivated murder----a black person was led to his death by a white mob chasing him. He was chased onto a highway, where he was hit by a car, killing him.

Fortunately, something restrained them from actually attacking me and stealing stuff from me. After the incident, I NEVER even thought about harming black people in general. I just thought those people who chanted were a bunch of idiots, just like the Irish gang who surrounded me once were a bunch of idiots.


I don't want to dismiss the trauma of what you experienced there, it's real and it matters.

What you experienced certainly qualifies as someone being unfairly victimized. It's wrong for them to choose to take out their trauma on you.

It's wrong for that trauma to cause one to plot to harm others but can you at least concede that there is indeed a genuine source of trauma responsible and that even if it's wrong, fantasies about violence are a common coping mechanism for those dealing with trauma.

If you want to resolve the problem of people having those fantasies fixing the problem that causes people to end up in that state is vital.

Not blaming them, dismissing them, invalidating them and then finally shaming them when they finally feel rage.


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08 Jun 2021, 7:59 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, this is akin to a member of the Ku Klux Klan speaking at a serious academic conference about the "fantasy" of killing black people.


You should probably bother listening to it like Mikah did before you come to that conclusion.


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08 Jun 2021, 8:08 pm

I just feel we should move ahead on things----rather than just perpetuate things.

I've said, many times, that we have to acknowledged what happened in the past. We have to confront it.

The onus for what has happened to people in the past is not on me. Just like the onus for the Holocaust is not on Germans living today. We have to stop assigning blame only--instead, we have to work together to prevent all which has happened in recent history from happening again.

I hope, since I'm just some guy on the Internet, that you don't have assumptions about me. I have no assumptions about you. I've never met you in person.



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08 Jun 2021, 8:09 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Lending credence to the fantasy lends credence to violence.


It provides insight into her mind and by projection other POC



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08 Jun 2021, 8:11 pm

Most "POC" don't think about murdering someone because they are white.

It is not inevitable that a "person of color" will have this sort of rage reaction upon seeing a white person in the street. It's not inevitable that they will have this "fantasy."

Many different sorts of people have been discriminated against ever since the Dawn of Man. I've been discriminated against for multiple reasons. I'm not going to have a fantasy about killing someone who discriminated against me----I'm just going to prove those people wrong by taking the high road.

I feel most people who have been discriminated against have the desire prove their "discriminators" wrong. And they seek to prove it by taking the high road, by transcending the stereotypes. Rather than having a generalized rage against them, and focusing their rage upon an individual who hasn't harmed them in the least.



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08 Jun 2021, 8:16 pm

Yale Child Study Center
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The Yale Child Study Center is a department at the Yale University School of Medicine. The center conducts research and provides clinical services and medical training related to children and families. Topics of investigation include autism and related disorders,[1] Tourette syndrome, other pediatric mental health concerns, parenting, and neurobiology.[2]

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08 Jun 2021, 8:17 pm

The_Znof wrote:
Yale Child Study Center
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Yale Child Study Center is a department at the Yale University School of Medicine. The center conducts research and provides clinical services and medical training related to children and families. Topics of investigation include autism and related disorders,[1] Tourette syndrome, other pediatric mental health concerns, parenting, and neurobiology.[2]

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Definitely an odd venue for this topic.


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08 Jun 2021, 8:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I just feel we should move ahead on things----rather than just perpetuate things.

I've said, many times, that we have to acknowledged what happened in the past. We have to confront it.

The onus for what has happened to people in the past is not on me. Just like the onus for the Holocaust is not on Germans living today. We have to stop assigning blame only--instead, we have to work together to prevent all which has happened in recent history from happening again.

I hope, since I'm just some guy on the Internet, that you don't have assumptions about me. I have no assumptions about you. I've never met you in person.


This is how it gets confronted.

I don't have any assumptions about you other than I'd probably appreciate your accent.

From what I've seen you have room to grow on this matter just like most people.

So do I and it wasn't a very comfortable realization, especially at first, because I didn't want to consider that that was the case, it hurt my ego and I cringed from it and invented rationalizations just like everyone I've ever called out. Part of why I describe it as fragility is that I've been there and know it's a hurtful realization to have, especially if you're overall not so bad and conceive of yourself as being an ally because it strikes close to home.

Also, I believe your insight will be much more worthwhile after you familiarize yourself with what you're commenting on. If I didn't consider your opinion worth paying attention to I wouldn't pressure you to make yourself informed.


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08 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm

I think it would be a good idea for Dr Khlanani to provide some post-lecture context to her sharing her thoughts/feelings as it has triggered people who don't understand pychoanalysis. I notice none of her colleagues are condemning her and if Sigmund Freud was alive today he would probably have shrugged his shoulders wondering what all the fuss is about.



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08 Jun 2021, 8:28 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
She's allowed to express thoughts that make people uncomfortable.


I get what she's trying to do. She feels suppressing her thoughts is unhealthy psychologically. Freud called this catharsis. But now that there is fall-out (I see the Yale School of Medicine has distanced itself from her lecture) it might be incumbent on her to explain her purpose. Especially since she had a private medical practice with predominantly white patients.



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08 Jun 2021, 8:31 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
She's allowed to express thoughts that make people uncomfortable.


I get what she's trying to do. She feels suppressing her thoughts is unhealthy psychologically. Freud called this catharsis. But now that there is fall-out (I see the Yale School of Medicine has distanced itself from her lecture) it might be incumbent on her to explain her purpose. Especially since she had a private medical practice with predominantly white patients.


Certainly, at the very least failing to do so will almost certainly invite a whole f**kton more of what she's complained about.


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08 Jun 2021, 8:35 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
She's allowed to express thoughts that make people uncomfortable.


I get what she's trying to do. She feels suppressing her thoughts is unhealthy psychologically. Freud called this catharsis. But now that there is fall-out (I see the Yale School of Medicine has distanced itself from her lecture) it might be incumbent on her to explain her purpose. Especially since she had a private medical practice with predominantly white patients.


Certainly, at the very least failing to do so will almost certainly invite a whole f**kton more of what she's complained about.


Precisely



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08 Jun 2021, 8:43 pm

Why even bother with these bitter and miserable people



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