NRA Sends Spy Into Anti-Gun Groups

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If I insisted on carrying a knife, yes. If I insisted on having a knife secreted on my person while I'm out and about, yes. That would make law enforcement nervous.

Which is why carrying a sharpened pencil, a roll of duct tape, and a can of WD-40 is at least as effective (if not more legal) than carrying a switchblade, a pair of handcuffs, and a can of spray mace.

Are you arguing that any object can be a weapon? I agree.

Well then, following your logic to it's conclusion, you could easily stash a knife in your bag before you leave the house, so all the knives should be taken from your house, because you might decide to take one and use it to massacre people on the way to the bus stop. Considering that you have a mental defect like aspergers syndrome, you should also be restricted from entering any area where a knife is present. Of course this would be difficult to enforce, so maybe it would be best to just lock you up, since having a person with a mental defect to run loose in society with access to all manner of potential weapons would make law enforcement nervous.

Your thoughts and words might have the power to influence others to commit acts of violence, so the best solution would be to administer drugs to cloud your mind.

You've lost me.

Let me put it into simpler terms for you.

You want to live in a perfect world where there are no guns and the police show up instantly to quell any violence that may occur.

The problem with that is, there are some really evil people out there, crazy homicidal badassed people, and you've never encountered one of them. You don't know what it's like to watch someone shoot your classmates one by one. You don't know what it's like to be on a bus where the guy in the back is cutting someone's head off with a hunting knife. You want me to believe that if you and I were on that bus, you wouldn't want me to shoot him because the bullet might ricochet. You want me to believe that you would prefer to have no protection at all should that guy decide to cut off your head next, instead of letting you and the other passengers get off the bus.

You want the police to be the only ones with the authority to use weapons, and the Government to have the authority to ignore your rights under the constitution. If one right may be taken from the people to ensure public safety, than any of them can, including the right to have your freedom, your life, your words and thoughts, and your privacy.

The perfect world you envision would be a nightmare to live in.

I do not live in such a naievely perfect world. Believe me, I know there are bad people out there. I'm not stupid or naieve for thinking the way I do, no matter how much I'm insulted or put down. And I'm not rabidly anti-gun, either. I'm Canadian and we just do things differently up here. I've come to realize that with this pro-gun /ant-gun issue, there really is no right or wrong. No one is right or wrong for having opposing beliefs. Guns are good AND bad.

It’s pretty obvious by now that slowmutant has no worthy argument to support what he’s telling us. It’s not just this thread but others that have discussed similar topics. It looks more like an attempt to get attention than anything.

Asperger's is not a mental defect, it is a neurological disorder. Don't insult!

Regardless of what objects can be used as weapons to kill, guns are primarily designed to efficiently deliver a bullet to a target whether that be a paper one or a flesh one. Often the objective is to kill or maim the flesh target. They need to be only in responsible hands.

Anyone wanting to operate a vehicle needs the appropriate training and license. The same should go for owning a gun. It should not be "give your name and address and if you have the money and you are over a certain age -- here is your gun."

What is the NRA's guidelines for gun ownership -- just any citizen over a certain age or do they recommend restrictions in persons with a history of violent crime or homicidal tendencies?

Imagine how many people the guy with the knife on the bus could have killed if he had a gun.

Yes, and imagine how many more Columbines and Virginia Techs we'll have if they keep handing out guns & ammo to emotionally disturbed loners. The price of freedom is high indeed.

Most loners or emotionally disturbed people do not murder. Many terrorist are actually somewhat "normal" psychologically.

What guidelines does the NRA recommend for gun ownership?

I think they're a lot like the guidelines for car ownership, actually.

One man's neurological disorder is another man's mental defect. I have often heard of people with Asperger's being described as 'emotionally disturbed loners'.

Let's take a hard look at the examples we've been given here. In all three examples, we have a situation where an emotionally disturbed person ignored the law and brought a weapon or weapons to places where they were not allowed. In the Colombine case, we had two students who ignored the law, stole their uncles guns, and brought them to school. In the V. Tech incident, we had a student who ignored the law and brought a gun to school. In the Greyhound bus incident, we had a guy who ignored the law and brought a knife onto a bus. Three incidents where emotionally disturbed people 'got ahold' of weapons and brought them where they are not allowed.

In each of these incidents, the victims obeyed the law and counted on the police to protect them. They sat helplessly while their emotionally disturbed armed attackers cut them down without mercy, and with no opposition. One thing that these three incidents have in common is that they all could have been prevented or greatly mitigated if there was even one person present who was legally allowed to carry a weapon.




The NRA recommends training for gun owners. They are aware that there are people within society who have no business ever being near a deadly weapon. They know that a training scenario is the best venue for an experienced, competent firearms instructor to observe and evaluate each candidate for firearms instruction. This is why, when you apply for a permit to carry a firearm, you must first attend and pass a course administered by the NRA. I know of no other organisation that offers such a course, but if there is, you can bet your bottom dollar that the instructor received his certification at an NRA school.

M02 wrote;

I don’t know where you’re at but here in the USA driving is a privilege, gun ownership is a right, and there’s a big difference between the two.



The primary roll of the NRA to protect the 2nd Amendment, making law is a legislative function.
Those with a felony criminal record, paroled from prison, or declared mentally insane are bared from obtaining firearms under federal law.



So, would you feel better if the bus was in a terrible accident and the same quantity of people were killed?
In the case of the guy having a gun instead of a knife and started capping passengers then shooting his ass would definitely have been justified, at least where I live.

I don't live in a country that has a 2nd amendment so I don't know what it is. Why it is so important to some people and what do guns have to do with it?

Outside of any official context, guns help satisfy aggressive tendencies. And the 2nd Amendment is a reinforcement and validation of aggression. Gun-culture is a celebration of violence, killing, and thug-life swathed in nationilistic rhetoric.