Racist Pro-Life Billboard

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The billboard is talking about African Americans whom live in the United States where access to proper medical treatment is probably at any hospital.

Source.

Day 21, Week 3: The heart begins to beat.
http://www.pregnancy.org/article/overvi ... evelopment

Hmm, so there is a heartbeat in less than a month after conception.

Day 40: Brain waves can be detected and recorded.
http://www.pregnancy.org/article/overvi ... evelopment

That's a little over a month isn't it. So we have brain activity 40 days after conception.

That is true, but that's not what I'm asking - who takes priority; mother or baby.

Also true, but that's not what I'm asking, if a person is a child or severely disabled is it still their responsibility?

Is anyone who practices birth control just as irresponsible?

A possibility, but that's not what I'm asking, if a mother is in such a relationship and the child would be at risk is it not her responsibility to protect that child by not having that child to begin with?

Women don't choose to be in abusive relationships, if it was as easy as breaking it off and getting a restraining order than there would be no such thing as domestic violence, no women would ever face physical or sexual abuse from a partner, neither would their children - sorry to break it to you, but the world isn't like that.

People have sex DUN DUN DUN - so no one should have sex unless they want a child? YOU may be okay with having sex just for procreation but that doesn't mean everyone is the same, birth control and abortion exists to prevent unwanted babies so that couples can use family planning to decide when they want to have children, when they are ready to care for children.

As pointed out by cave_canem not all women choose to have sex - children, severely disabled, abuse victims, rape victims.
Why do they have to be responsible for someone else having sex with them?

Oh, I said to myself, don't post a response to this thread, but I just can't seem to help myself.

Tensu:

A few things for you to consider:

1. It is interesting that you would want to live as, and subject children to, a life of physical illness and pain caused by HIV, starvation, and death before the age of 5. As a mother, I can tell you I would do anything in my power to prevent a child of mine from having to go through any such thing - and if my circumstances meant that abortion was the only way I could prevent that kind of suffering for my child, then that is what I would do to protect my child. I find your position to be very selfish. The pain and suffering of thousands of children to uphold your moralistic viewpoint? Charming.

2. It is also interesting that you are implying that this comes down to the woman's choice - ie it is her choice to get pregnant. Considering the prevalence of sexual assualt against women, I cannot comprehend your argument. A woman does not have to choose to have sex to get pregnant.

3. You also argue that it is as much up to the father as it is the mother. Well, unfortunately, the father is not the one who has his body hijacked for 9 months. The father can walk away (or run away, as the case may be). The impact an uplanned / unwanted pregnancy has on the father cannot be compared to the impact on the mother (physically, emotionally, socially, and financially).

4. I find the vehemence with with pro-lifers push their arguments to be disconcerting. If you notice, those in favour of a woman's CHOICE are not trying to force abortions on women who do not want to have abortions; instead, they are supporting a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants to continue a pregnancy. Pro-lifers, on the other hand, want to take away a woman's right to choose. Pro-lifers want to dictate what women can and cannot do with their bodies.

5. My personal viewpoint on the matter is this - given my current situation (age, education, employment, financial stability, health, etc.), I would not choose to abort an accidental pregnancy. But I would never try to force this decision on anyone else. That is what is often lost (or ignored) in these arguments - pro-choicers are not necessarily people who would have abortions themselves. But they certainly do not think that their moral standpoint is superior to others'.

I numbered my points above in case you choose to respond to this message. That way, you could respond to ALL of the points I have raised. I notice you seem to conveniently ignore some statements/arguments raised by others.

@ cave_canem It's difficult not to get pulled-in

Very good points you raised here, especially this one;
"I notice you seem to conveniently ignore some statements/arguments raised by others" not meaning to stir things up.

Although I would say it's more Anti-choice than Pro-life, that is something that always urked me about the whole issue, the term 'Pro-life' always implied those on the opposition were Anti-life which of course we're not, in fact I think both sides are equally in praise and in celebration of life but just from different points of view. I think the whole argument itself boils down to which is more important; life as a state different to that of inanimate objects, or life as something you live, or a case of 'a life v's quality of life for all involved'.

Depends on the situation, in all honesty a C-Section is actually safer for the mother than an abortion.

ER =/= proper medical treatment. Weren't you in favor of closing Planned Parenthood and opposed to universal healthcare?

Hospitals are required by law to provide medical care in an emergency situation.

I'm sorry, but you have got to be having a laugh with that comment.

True. I guess prenatal care isn't really important. Gestational diabetes, placenta previa, and the countless other conditions brought on by pregnancy aren't really important until mom's bleeding all over the floor or having a seizure.

Uh they are still required by law to see the patient, if the patient is in the ER regardless of what stage they are in...

They don't know what stage they're in. That's the whole point. Prenatal care is necessary monitoring for both mom and baby. Many, if not most pregnancy complications have no apparent symptoms, or the symptoms are masked by normal pregnancy symptoms. It is not the job of the ER to provide routine prenatal care.

Back to abortion though. I have tough time dealing with the hypocrisy of pro-lifers who cares so much about an unborn fetus and so little about that child once it's brought into this world. Here's some food for thought, how many teenage girls, who are children themselves, would die from botched, back alley abortions if it suddenly became illegal?

I read a book not too long ago that linked planned parenthood with the gradual lowering of crime from people of low-income, single parent backgrounds from 1980 to the 1990s.

I read a book not too long ago that linked planned parenthood with the gradual lowering of crime from people of low-income, single parent backgrounds from 1980 to the 1990s.

So are you saying we should kill all the poor people.

Please. That's what you just said, but nice try

You said there was a link between Planned Parenthood and a decrease in crime, well you are essentially arguing that killing children so there are fewer single parent households in poverty is good for society.

You're the one bringing vitriol into this. I have not advocated killing anybody. You really need to relax and actually try and understand the connection

It actually isn't that hard to figure out what stage they are in using ultrasounds for instance. May be oversimplifying but the point remainst the same.