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01 Oct 2017, 10:08 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And just a few days ago, a Russian hacker farm, which had tried inflaming racism in Trump's favor, was uncovered. But I suppose that's fake, too. :roll:


It certainly sounds fake.

Is there any solid evidence these Russian troll farms exist?


Yes, I'm sure there is. This is coming from the CIA and FBI, as well as every reputable news source. Are you on the right so suspicious of sane outlets that you doubt the very existence of the provable? First denial of evolution and the geological age of the earth, then global warming, now Russian interference in the last election. I swear, the right is so invested in their own version of reality that they'll deny common sense and all evidence.


I'm not the right, I'm Ezra, and don't forget it. However, perhaps the right is suspicious of what the left believes because the left's credibility, not to mention their rationality, seems dubious. As for Homeland Security, what an excellent added reason for them to try eliminating any and all internet privacy; to stop those thousands of Russian trolls.


And yet, you are politically to the right.
The left has problems with credibility? It was the right that dreamed up, then fell for the whole Pizzagate nonsense, as well as science denial, birtherism, widespread voter fraud, etc. I could go on and on.
As for ending internet privacy - - it's Trump who wants to end Net Neutrality, and allow big business to have access to all our information.


Maybe a tad.
Looks like the right and the left are neck and neck in credibility.
What concerns me more than advertisers is, Homeland Security / NSA could easily use Russian troll farms as an excuse to remove internet privacy. Seems like Zuckerberg is already going along with it. So if you've ever asked why they would make stuff up, that could be a reason. That's why I'd like to see rock solid evidence. Far as I know, reputable news is just reporting what the government is saying/claiming about it.


What evidence is there to the contrary that the Russians hacked our election? Just because Trump, his two sons Udei and Kusei, and that three alarm idiot Sean Hannity say so?


That has to be the most obfuscating reply you've come up with so far.
It's obvious you know there's zero solid evidence of Russia hacking the election or of "Russian troll farms", and that should be a major concern for you and everyone else.


Except for those troll farms traced by the CIA and FBI,... and covert associations Trump and company have with Russia,... and Wikileaks releasing Clinton information on Russia's behalf, for Trump's benefit,... and Trump allowing Russian news media and their spymaster, Kisliak, into the White House without notifying anyone in America. And this is just a brief summary.


When it comes to a true crime, that has been established through solid evedence, you can very easily asertain; who, what, where, when, why and how from law enforcement / intelligence agency reports.

If there isn't a report detailing those key points, then nothing of significance has been discovered.

If the FBI and CIA are insisting on something, that they can't/won't document - it's time to look past partisanism and start seriously questioning why.

In the future if you are required by federal law to disclose your full name and personal details to post here and elsewhere, to protect everyone from "Russian troll farm's", just remember... I told you so.



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01 Oct 2017, 10:24 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And just a few days ago, a Russian hacker farm, which had tried inflaming racism in Trump's favor, was uncovered. But I suppose that's fake, too. :roll:


It certainly sounds fake.

Is there any solid evidence these Russian troll farms exist?


Yes, I'm sure there is. This is coming from the CIA and FBI, as well as every reputable news source. Are you on the right so suspicious of sane outlets that you doubt the very existence of the provable? First denial of evolution and the geological age of the earth, then global warming, now Russian interference in the last election. I swear, the right is so invested in their own version of reality that they'll deny common sense and all evidence.


I'm not the right, I'm Ezra, and don't forget it. However, perhaps the right is suspicious of what the left believes because the left's credibility, not to mention their rationality, seems dubious. As for Homeland Security, what an excellent added reason for them to try eliminating any and all internet privacy; to stop those thousands of Russian trolls.


And yet, you are politically to the right.
The left has problems with credibility? It was the right that dreamed up, then fell for the whole Pizzagate nonsense, as well as science denial, birtherism, widespread voter fraud, etc. I could go on and on.
As for ending internet privacy - - it's Trump who wants to end Net Neutrality, and allow big business to have access to all our information.


Maybe a tad.
Looks like the right and the left are neck and neck in credibility.
What concerns me more than advertisers is, Homeland Security / NSA could easily use Russian troll farms as an excuse to remove internet privacy. Seems like Zuckerberg is already going along with it. So if you've ever asked why they would make stuff up, that could be a reason. That's why I'd like to see rock solid evidence. Far as I know, reputable news is just reporting what the government is saying/claiming about it.


What evidence is there to the contrary that the Russians hacked our election? Just because Trump, his two sons Udei and Kusei, and that three alarm idiot Sean Hannity say so?


That has to be the most obfuscating reply you've come up with so far.
It's obvious you know there's zero solid evidence of Russia hacking the election or of "Russian troll farms", and that should be a major concern for you and everyone else.


Except for those troll farms traced by the CIA and FBI,... and covert associations Trump and company have with Russia,... and Wikileaks releasing Clinton information on Russia's behalf, for Trump's benefit,... and Trump allowing Russian news media and their spymaster, Kisliak, into the White House without notifying anyone in America. And this is just a brief summary.


When it comes to a true crime, that has been established through solid evedence, you can very easily asertain; who, what, where, when, why and how from law enforcement / intelligence agency reports.

If there isn't a report detailing those key points, then nothing of significance has been discovered.

If the FBI and CIA are insisting on something, that they can't/won't document - it's time to look past partisanism and start seriously questioning why.

In the future if you are required by federal law to disclose your full name and personal details to post here and elsewhere, to protect everyone from "Russian troll farm's", just remember... I told you so.

Who says the CIA and FBI didn't document any of it?


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01 Oct 2017, 10:45 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And just a few days ago, a Russian hacker farm, which had tried inflaming racism in Trump's favor, was uncovered. But I suppose that's fake, too. :roll:


It certainly sounds fake.

Is there any solid evidence these Russian troll farms exist?


Yes, I'm sure there is. This is coming from the CIA and FBI, as well as every reputable news source. Are you on the right so suspicious of sane outlets that you doubt the very existence of the provable? First denial of evolution and the geological age of the earth, then global warming, now Russian interference in the last election. I swear, the right is so invested in their own version of reality that they'll deny common sense and all evidence.


I'm not the right, I'm Ezra, and don't forget it. However, perhaps the right is suspicious of what the left believes because the left's credibility, not to mention their rationality, seems dubious. As for Homeland Security, what an excellent added reason for them to try eliminating any and all internet privacy; to stop those thousands of Russian trolls.


And yet, you are politically to the right.
The left has problems with credibility? It was the right that dreamed up, then fell for the whole Pizzagate nonsense, as well as science denial, birtherism, widespread voter fraud, etc. I could go on and on.
As for ending internet privacy - - it's Trump who wants to end Net Neutrality, and allow big business to have access to all our information.


Maybe a tad.
Looks like the right and the left are neck and neck in credibility.
What concerns me more than advertisers is, Homeland Security / NSA could easily use Russian troll farms as an excuse to remove internet privacy. Seems like Zuckerberg is already going along with it. So if you've ever asked why they would make stuff up, that could be a reason. That's why I'd like to see rock solid evidence. Far as I know, reputable news is just reporting what the government is saying/claiming about it.


What evidence is there to the contrary that the Russians hacked our election? Just because Trump, his two sons Udei and Kusei, and that three alarm idiot Sean Hannity say so?


That has to be the most obfuscating reply you've come up with so far.
It's obvious you know there's zero solid evidence of Russia hacking the election or of "Russian troll farms", and that should be a major concern for you and everyone else.


Except for those troll farms traced by the CIA and FBI,... and covert associations Trump and company have with Russia,... and Wikileaks releasing Clinton information on Russia's behalf, for Trump's benefit,... and Trump allowing Russian news media and their spymaster, Kisliak, into the White House without notifying anyone in America. And this is just a brief summary.


When it comes to a true crime, that has been established through solid evedence, you can very easily asertain; who, what, where, when, why and how from law enforcement / intelligence agency reports.

If there isn't a report detailing those key points, then nothing of significance has been discovered.

If the FBI and CIA are insisting on something, that they can't/won't document - it's time to look past partisanism and start seriously questioning why.

In the future if you are required by federal law to disclose your full name and personal details to post here and elsewhere, to protect everyone from "Russian troll farm's", just remember... I told you so.

Who says the CIA and FBI didn't document any of it?


You do, since you obviously don't know if it exists or not.

You can easily find all the spacific details regarding other cyber-crimes - what about this one?

Do you have that much blind faith in the government where your personal privacy might be at stake?



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01 Oct 2017, 11:32 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And just a few days ago, a Russian hacker farm, which had tried inflaming racism in Trump's favor, was uncovered. But I suppose that's fake, too. :roll:


It certainly sounds fake.

Is there any solid evidence these Russian troll farms exist?


Yes, I'm sure there is. This is coming from the CIA and FBI, as well as every reputable news source. Are you on the right so suspicious of sane outlets that you doubt the very existence of the provable? First denial of evolution and the geological age of the earth, then global warming, now Russian interference in the last election. I swear, the right is so invested in their own version of reality that they'll deny common sense and all evidence.


I'm not the right, I'm Ezra, and don't forget it. However, perhaps the right is suspicious of what the left believes because the left's credibility, not to mention their rationality, seems dubious. As for Homeland Security, what an excellent added reason for them to try eliminating any and all internet privacy; to stop those thousands of Russian trolls.


And yet, you are politically to the right.
The left has problems with credibility? It was the right that dreamed up, then fell for the whole Pizzagate nonsense, as well as science denial, birtherism, widespread voter fraud, etc. I could go on and on.
As for ending internet privacy - - it's Trump who wants to end Net Neutrality, and allow big business to have access to all our information.


Maybe a tad.
Looks like the right and the left are neck and neck in credibility.
What concerns me more than advertisers is, Homeland Security / NSA could easily use Russian troll farms as an excuse to remove internet privacy. Seems like Zuckerberg is already going along with it. So if you've ever asked why they would make stuff up, that could be a reason. That's why I'd like to see rock solid evidence. Far as I know, reputable news is just reporting what the government is saying/claiming about it.


What evidence is there to the contrary that the Russians hacked our election? Just because Trump, his two sons Udei and Kusei, and that three alarm idiot Sean Hannity say so?


That has to be the most obfuscating reply you've come up with so far.
It's obvious you know there's zero solid evidence of Russia hacking the election or of "Russian troll farms", and that should be a major concern for you and everyone else.


Except for those troll farms traced by the CIA and FBI,... and covert associations Trump and company have with Russia,... and Wikileaks releasing Clinton information on Russia's behalf, for Trump's benefit,... and Trump allowing Russian news media and their spymaster, Kisliak, into the White House without notifying anyone in America. And this is just a brief summary.


When it comes to a true crime, that has been established through solid evedence, you can very easily asertain; who, what, where, when, why and how from law enforcement / intelligence agency reports.

If there isn't a report detailing those key points, then nothing of significance has been discovered.

If the FBI and CIA are insisting on something, that they can't/won't document - it's time to look past partisanism and start seriously questioning why.

In the future if you are required by federal law to disclose your full name and personal details to post here and elsewhere, to protect everyone from "Russian troll farm's", just remember... I told you so.

Who says the CIA and FBI didn't document any of it?


You do, since you obviously don't know if it exists or not.

You can easily find all the spacific details regarding other cyber-crimes - what about this one?

Do you have that much blind faith in the government where your personal privacy might be at stake?


As I've stated before, Trump is the guy who wants to let big business have total control over the internet, as well as allowing them to violate our privacy.
And seriously, Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world, and yet you guys on the right make him out to be a victim! I hardly doubt a federal investigation into Trump and his cronies is going to threaten our freedom, as the guy hardly is representative of freedom of any kind, save for rich white men running roughshod over the rest of us.


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02 Oct 2017, 1:19 am

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As I've stated before, Trump is the guy who wants to let big business have total control over the internet, as well as allowing them to violate our privacy.
And seriously, Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world, and yet you guys on the right make him out to be a victim! I hardly doubt a federal investigation into Trump and his cronies is going to threaten our freedom, as the guy hardly is representative of freedom of any kind, save for rich white men running roughshod over the rest of us.


Do you notice how I'm not asking if there's any solid evedence of what you're saying about Trump regarding the internet on his end? That's the difference between what's real and what's not.

Russian election hackers and especially Russian troll farms are, as far as I can determine, as unprovable as the existence of Leprechauns.



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02 Oct 2017, 2:15 am

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As I've stated before, Trump is the guy who wants to let big business have total control over the internet, as well as allowing them to violate our privacy.
And seriously, Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world, and yet you guys on the right make him out to be a victim! I hardly doubt a federal investigation into Trump and his cronies is going to threaten our freedom, as the guy hardly is representative of freedom of any kind, save for rich white men running roughshod over the rest of us.


Do you notice how I'm not asking if there's any solid evedence of what you're saying about Trump regarding the internet on his end? That's the difference between what's real and what's not.

Russian election hackers and especially Russian troll farms are, as far as I can determine, as unprovable as the existence of Leprechauns.


The intelligence community, as well as reputable media sources, beg to differ.


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02 Oct 2017, 2:28 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
As I've stated before, Trump is the guy who wants to let big business have total control over the internet, as well as allowing them to violate our privacy.
And seriously, Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world, and yet you guys on the right make him out to be a victim! I hardly doubt a federal investigation into Trump and his cronies is going to threaten our freedom, as the guy hardly is representative of freedom of any kind, save for rich white men running roughshod over the rest of us.


Do you notice how I'm not asking if there's any solid evedence of what you're saying about Trump regarding the internet on his end? That's the difference between what's real and what's not.

Russian election hackers and especially Russian troll farms are, as far as I can determine, as unprovable as the existence of Leprechauns.


The intelligence community, as well as reputable media sources, beg to differ.



Then where's the evidence? The media is just reporting the claims of the intelligence community.

Any names places dates locations given? Any detaild info at all?



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02 Oct 2017, 10:21 am

It would probably be in the best interest for the "intelligence community" to have a guy like Trump in office. He's the type who would protect their right to conduct unlimited surveillance upon people. Many of them are not exactly "leftists."

Therefore, I would say that sources from the "intelligence community" might have more credibility in this matter than sources from liberal/Democratic organizations.



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02 Oct 2017, 12:06 pm

I just find it strange that in all these accusations of Russian cyber-crimes and trolling against the US, there don't seem to be any details forthcoming. Yet according Morgan Freeman we're supposed to be at war with Russia over it.



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02 Oct 2017, 1:45 pm

I hope Trump does well by the Puerto Ricans and the Virgin Islanders.....even if his intention is to win "political points." Even if he doesn't have an altruistic bone is his body. At this point, I would like running water and electricity, no matter the "intentions" of the one delivering these services. There would be obvious exceptions to this---but purely "selfish" intentions wouldn't deter me from accepting these services.

Results are what count.



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02 Oct 2017, 2:57 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I've stated before, Trump is the guy who wants to let big business have total control over the internet, as well as allowing them to violate our privacy.
And seriously, Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world, and yet you guys on the right make him out to be a victim! I hardly doubt a federal investigation into Trump and his cronies is going to threaten our freedom, as the guy hardly is representative of freedom of any kind, save for rich white men running roughshod over the rest of us.


Do you notice how I'm not asking if there's any solid evedence of what you're saying about Trump regarding the internet on his end? That's the difference between what's real and what's not.

Russian election hackers and especially Russian troll farms are, as far as I can determine, as unprovable as the existence of Leprechauns.


The intelligence community, as well as reputable media sources, beg to differ.



Then where's the evidence? The media is just reporting the claims of the intelligence community.

Any names places dates locations given? Any detaild info at all?


Did anyone law enforcement entities reveal evidence immediately with Watergate or Iran-Contra?


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I hope Trump does well by the Puerto Ricans and the Virgin Islanders.....even if his intention is to win "political points." Even if he doesn't have an altruistic bone is his body. At this point, I would like running water and electricity, no matter the "intentions" of the one delivering these services. There would be obvious exceptions to this---but purely "selfish" intentions wouldn't deter me from accepting these services.

Results are what count.


Unfortunately, I think Trump finds it easier to accuse those needing help of being weak and lazy, even when the notion of helping themselves isn't an option.


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02 Oct 2017, 9:39 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I've stated before, Trump is the guy who wants to let big business have total control over the internet, as well as allowing them to violate our privacy.
And seriously, Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world, and yet you guys on the right make him out to be a victim! I hardly doubt a federal investigation into Trump and his cronies is going to threaten our freedom, as the guy hardly is representative of freedom of any kind, save for rich white men running roughshod over the rest of us.


Do you notice how I'm not asking if there's any solid evedence of what you're saying about Trump regarding the internet on his end? That's the difference between what's real and what's not.

Russian election hackers and especially Russian troll farms are, as far as I can determine, as unprovable as the existence of Leprechauns.


The intelligence community, as well as reputable media sources, beg to differ.



Then where's the evidence? The media is just reporting the claims of the intelligence community.

Any names places dates locations given? Any detaild info at all?


Did anyone law enforcement entities reveal evidence immediately with Watergate or Iran-Contra?


They really don't need to ever provide any kind of evidence for you to believe in it do they?

This is far more reminiscent of the Iraq WMD falsehood.



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02 Oct 2017, 10:07 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I've stated before, Trump is the guy who wants to let big business have total control over the internet, as well as allowing them to violate our privacy.
And seriously, Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world, and yet you guys on the right make him out to be a victim! I hardly doubt a federal investigation into Trump and his cronies is going to threaten our freedom, as the guy hardly is representative of freedom of any kind, save for rich white men running roughshod over the rest of us.


Do you notice how I'm not asking if there's any solid evedence of what you're saying about Trump regarding the internet on his end? That's the difference between what's real and what's not.

Russian election hackers and especially Russian troll farms are, as far as I can determine, as unprovable as the existence of Leprechauns.


The intelligence community, as well as reputable media sources, beg to differ.



Then where's the evidence? The media is just reporting the claims of the intelligence community.

Any names places dates locations given? Any detaild info at all?


Did anyone law enforcement entities reveal evidence immediately with Watergate or Iran-Contra?


They really don't need to ever provide any kind of evidence for you to believe in it do they?

This is far more reminiscent of the Iraq WMD falsehood.


As a matter of fact, the Bush administration had put forth so called evidence that I and every other thinking person could see though. The fact that Mueller and other legitimate investigators are playing it close to the vest shows that they in fact have something real that they don't want to blow. And as I've said countless times now, as the Trump administration has been lying so much to hide obvious Russian ties only reveals that where there's smoke, there's fire.


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03 Oct 2017, 12:13 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I've stated before, Trump is the guy who wants to let big business have total control over the internet, as well as allowing them to violate our privacy.
And seriously, Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world, and yet you guys on the right make him out to be a victim! I hardly doubt a federal investigation into Trump and his cronies is going to threaten our freedom, as the guy hardly is representative of freedom of any kind, save for rich white men running roughshod over the rest of us.


Do you notice how I'm not asking if there's any solid evedence of what you're saying about Trump regarding the internet on his end? That's the difference between what's real and what's not.

Russian election hackers and especially Russian troll farms are, as far as I can determine, as unprovable as the existence of Leprechauns.


The intelligence community, as well as reputable media sources, beg to differ.



Then where's the evidence? The media is just reporting the claims of the intelligence community.

Any names places dates locations given? Any detaild info at all?


Did anyone law enforcement entities reveal evidence immediately with Watergate or Iran-Contra?


They really don't need to ever provide any kind of evidence for you to believe in it do they?

This is far more reminiscent of the Iraq WMD falsehood.


As a matter of fact, the Bush administration had put forth so called evidence that I and every other thinking person could see though. The fact that Mueller and other legitimate investigators are playing it close to the vest shows that they in fact have something real that they don't want to blow. And as I've said countless times now, as the Trump administration has been lying so much to hide obvious Russian ties only reveals that where there's smoke, there's fire.


Does that include all the supposed Russian troll farms?



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03 Oct 2017, 12:21 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I've stated before, Trump is the guy who wants to let big business have total control over the internet, as well as allowing them to violate our privacy.
And seriously, Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world, and yet you guys on the right make him out to be a victim! I hardly doubt a federal investigation into Trump and his cronies is going to threaten our freedom, as the guy hardly is representative of freedom of any kind, save for rich white men running roughshod over the rest of us.


Do you notice how I'm not asking if there's any solid evedence of what you're saying about Trump regarding the internet on his end? That's the difference between what's real and what's not.

Russian election hackers and especially Russian troll farms are, as far as I can determine, as unprovable as the existence of Leprechauns.


The intelligence community, as well as reputable media sources, beg to differ.



Then where's the evidence? The media is just reporting the claims of the intelligence community.

Any names places dates locations given? Any detaild info at all?


Did anyone law enforcement entities reveal evidence immediately with Watergate or Iran-Contra?


They really don't need to ever provide any kind of evidence for you to believe in it do they?

This is far more reminiscent of the Iraq WMD falsehood.


As a matter of fact, the Bush administration had put forth so called evidence that I and every other thinking person could see though. The fact that Mueller and other legitimate investigators are playing it close to the vest shows that they in fact have something real that they don't want to blow. And as I've said countless times now, as the Trump administration has been lying so much to hide obvious Russian ties only reveals that where there's smoke, there's fire.


I asking about all the supposed Russian troll farms.


What's so hard to believe about that? Intelligence agencies have always employed people to distribute propaganda and disinformation. Why is it so hard to believe that Putin, a professional spymaster, would not do the same thing? Is he too morally righteous and upstanding? Plus, the existence of these troll farms has been verified by everyone in the intelligence community and the mainstream media with credibility - that is, everyone who isn't Infowars, Breitbart, Fox, or the current White House administration.


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