Racist Pro-Life Billboard

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A friend of mine went through gestational diabetes, it was close to the supposed time anyways so her boy wasn't born more then 2 weeks premature.

that might work. I mean nobody has ever tried it before, right

I'm going to open with I have no interest in debating abortion again, at least not at this point. Have you never imagined a life that would be so cruel as to be unlivable? Is there no scenario where an early death is advisable? Of course the future is unknowable and all that, but I am asking as a curiosity. Is there no scenario where death is advisable?

Not at any point in history, I'm sure of it.

Planned Parenthood is not just about Abortion as a method of birthcontrol. Asbstinence is not a reliable method of birth control and never has been. The instinct for reproduction is one of the strongest that humans have, it is not something that is reliably controlled by the mind. What many don't have is access to the educational information and healthcare required to to provide effective means of birthcontrol. One effective way to decrease abortions is to provide educational information and accessible health care.

If you are against the current healthcare plan, in a sense you are against a policy that will provide prenatal care and effective means of birthcontrol for many women that would not ordinarily have access. The end result is less abortions and more pregnancies that result in healthy children.

Emergency room service does not provide this, so an extension of health care is your only realistic hope to see a reduction in abortions and an increase in healthy infants. Does it make sense to you that a person is more likely to have a successful pregnancy if they have healthcare than if they do not have healthcare. Proper prenatal care can be the difference in life or death in the womb, regardless of the abortion issue.

Somehow the population of the world is doubling every 40 years. How do you figure?

ruveyn

Even though abortions by African Americans are statistically higher than other races; fertility rates for African Americans are about the same as they are for caucasians.

@inuyasha
We are not going to get no abortions, so why not planned parenthood for effective birth control. If you want healthy black American infants, hope that health care reform stays in effect so more African American women can get the prenatal care they need. Isn't it worth fighting for?

Well isn't fighting to end abortions worth fighting for too, again though the people that made the billboard are being called racist, when they obviously are not racist.

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The underhanded, disgusting and dispicable reason for this billboard is to induce guilt into any AA woman considering abortion, by subtly suggesting that Afrogenocide is the result if she and other AA women abort.

It is difficult enough to make a decision without condescending attempts to make a woman feel worse than she already does.

Sartresue summed up the racist aspect of the sign quite nicely and, again, how is this billboard working towards ending abortion exactly? All it does is piss people off, deepen the divide, and suppress real and thoughtful dialogue on the subject. It's just plain mean.

I'm gonna put my doctor hat on for this one.

There is absolutely no question that an embryo is living, human tissue. End of story.

However, it is wrong to uncritically distinguish an embryo from the germ cells that create it, because otherwise we are in a circumstance in which precursor cells, such as ovarian follicles, are living tissue, creating a piece of tissue that is non-living (the ovum) that is restored to being living tissue through fertilization.

Ultimately, that argument depends upon viability, and if we are introducing viability into the ethical equation, then you have to consider 20 weeks a pretty firm (present) benchmark. I am aware of no fetus being delivered before 20 weeks gestational age that was viable.

So what's a physician to do? Well, I'm not an obstetrician, but I take the position that the patient in front of me is the only compentent source of instructions, unless that patient is too young or is otherwise incapable of forming a meaningful intention with respect to treatment. Gestation is, to my way of thinking, a voluntary, consensual act on the part of a woman, of which the fetus is a beneficiary. If a woman's instruction to her physician is to procure a miscarriage (and Inuyasha, procuring a miscarriage through a drug is no different ethically than procuring one surgically) the her physician is bound to comply with that instruction, or to refer her to a physician who is willing and qualified to do so.

Okay, now I am taking off my physician hat and putting on my bureaucrat hat.

Banning abortion is dumb public policy. A ban on abortion will not stop women from terminating their pregnancies. The barbarous age of back alleys, coat hangers and knitting needles must never, ever be allowed to return.

Recognizing that abortion will occur, whether we like it or not, then to my mind it is far better that abortion be performed by professionals who are capable of performing the operation in a safe way.

So it is racist to point out that African Americans are 13% of the population yet 4% of abortions are the killing of babies that are African American. I would argue trying to cover this up is racism, not bringing it to the forefront of people's attention.

Lloking at the women from the 25 areas that reported abortions and cross-classified race/ethnicity data for 2007, white women accounted for the largest percentage of abortions (37.1%), followed by black women (34.4%), Hispanic women (22.1%), and women of other races (6.4%). White women had the lowest abortion rates (8.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratios (144 abortions per 1,000 live births); in contrast, black women had the highest abortion rates (32.1 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratios (480 abortions per 1,000 live births).
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/02/24/cdc- ... hest-rate/

So again how is the billboard that tries to warn people about this, racist?

Because that's not what the billboard says, Inuyasha.

It is not a defence to an accusation of racism to have an honest belief in the truth of what you say. Racism, sexism, homophobia and hate speech may often find their genesis in fact and than use fact to express or imply more than the mere facts would support.

I would be interested in what would happen to those statistics you cite if they corrected for poverty. Because black and hispanic women are more likely to live in poverty than white women, and are more likely to lack access to prenatal and neonatal care, what kind of impact does that have on maternal health, and the capacity of the particular women who find themselves confronted with an unwanted pregnancy to cope with both carrying the child to term and then raising the child.

It's not that I think your numbers are wrong--but I think that your numbers are only telling a part of the story.

Well there is more:

CNSNews.com) – Abortion kills more black Americans than the seven leading causes of death combined, according to data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for 2005, the latest year for which the abortion numbers are available.

Abortion killed at least 203,991 blacks in the 36 states and two cities (New York City and the District of Columbia) that reported abortions by race in 2005, according to the CDC. During that same year, according to the CDC, a total of 198,385 blacks nationwide died from heart disease, cancer, strokes, accidents, diabetes, homicide, and chronic lower respiratory diseases combined. These were the seven leading causes of death for black Americans that year.

http://www.cnsnews.com/node/55956

They got their numbers from the CDC (Centers for Disease Control).

God this thread has turned into a giant clusterf**k.


Here's my personal stance, as a guy and as someone who dislikes abortion: pro-choice.

Yeah, I said it. I don't like the idea of abortion execpt as a last resort, and I do believe that those who have "accidents" should take responsibility, both for the mother and father. But I'm pro-choice because as far as I'm concerned, it's not my decision to make. I'm not the one that has to carry it around for 9 months before it decides "I'm ready now" and have to go through 12 hours or more of excrutiating pain as a finishing move. So if a pregnant woman decides they don't want to deal with it, that's their decision, their right, and I'm not going to tell them they can't because if I did that then more likely than not I would be punched in the face, given the temperament of most expecting women. Even if it was Suiseiten (my gf) who unexpectedly conceived with me, then I would tell her it is totally her decision whether or not she wanted to keep our baby.

That said, politicians need to grow a brain and remember that this is America. If a woman wants an abortion, to stop her from making her decision would be unethical and against everything this country stands for. If the theologists think it's evil, then that's their problem, but I say we should have the facilities open for those to make a choice. As far as responsibility goes, I say we should stop this stupid abstinence BS in schools, because teens will be teens and they will f**k no matter what we tell them, so we might as well try and tell them how to do it safely. That will prevent most unplanned pregnancies, so the issue is minimized.

I just love it how everyone who is pro-life is perfectly prepared to trample all over the rights of women everywhere in America just to see their perfect little abortion-free world come to pass.

It isn't just the woman's rights in play though, it is the child's right to live. The way I see it, as soon as we have brainwave activity that's it, that's the cutoff point.

That is around day 40.

Do you see a problem if a women chooses to induce abortion before day 40?