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01 May 2025, 6:12 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/01/health/good-bad-karma-believers-study-wellness


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01 May 2025, 7:17 pm

I have certainly known of some bad ratbags who came to a bad end from serious accidents. And other bad ratbags who prospered until an advanced age. So if there is Karma or some other kind of heavenly
retribution, it seems to be very inconsistent. So I sit on the fence as an agnostic :)



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05 May 2025, 3:06 pm

No. Most bad people who do very bad things either get away with it or get the proverbial light slap on the wrist.



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05 May 2025, 6:01 pm

^Agreed 100%


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06 May 2025, 9:27 pm

nope, not in this lifetime, because the devil rewards his own while they are alive.



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07 May 2025, 8:13 am

I wonder if you guys (people on the autism spectrum) might have trouble judging the quality of life of your enemies. And not just you, I wonder if there are particular social groups that may find it easier or harder to judge if "bad people" (enemies) are either reaping easy gains from their bad deeds or are finding themselves eventual victims of their poor decisions.

You'd have to have a grasp on Theory of Mind, which is the notion that another person has an existence that is separate from your own and that their perceptions, thoughts, and ideas are also separate and therefore perhaps different from your own.

You would have to assess "what kind of person" that other person is, and then imagine what it would be like to "be" that other person.

Then you would have to assess the quality of life that the other person is experiencing as they are walking about using their own internal systems and inner states of being.

I'm thinking of several autistic and non-autistic people and I think it may be difficult for them to judge if a person who is bad is really doing well or not. A person may appear to be doing well but not, and vice versa.

A very interesting thought, AA.



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27 May 2025, 5:08 am

auntblabby wrote:
nope, not in this lifetime, because the devil rewards his own while they are alive.

I agree that this is indeed how it works.

Maybe really bad crooks who get in gang violence with each other, or military combatants - physical violence may occasionally pick them off. But if we go just above the dotted line from physical violence to psychological violence, then yes, I think you've nailed it, in that all Narcissists and Machiavellians have an uncanny sense of what they diabolically can get away with - cutting a lifelong psychologically toxic swath through the world, and not ever seeming to *visibly* suffer for it. They're always right, never wrong. They admit to nothing, and show no remorse.

Their inner world is another story, and especially what their state of mind at the time of death is like; that's another matter. Not easy to know. I'd sincerely like to know demographically what sentiment or emotional presentation they tend to have right at the time of death. Perhaps some justice can be seen there.


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27 May 2025, 6:54 am

No, the bad guys benefit and the group suffers. When no one speaks for the group, everyone suffers except the bad guys.


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29 Jun 2025, 11:04 am

It is fully documented that bad things happen to bad people, good things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people, and bad thing happen to good people; all at random. There's no rhyme or reason to it.

Article that cherry-pick instances of bad things happening to bad are simply engaging in confirmation bias, nothing more.



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29 Jun 2025, 11:11 am

If this were true; how do you explain Donald Trump getting everything he wants and never facing any consequences no matter how illegal, cruel, and evil his actions get?



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29 Jun 2025, 12:12 pm

I believe that karma is constipated at the moment, but soon its bowels will unclog and unleash a full load on all who deserve it most. There won't be an umbrella big enough to shield away from it.


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29 Jun 2025, 1:58 pm

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I believe that karma is constipated at the moment, but soon its bowels will unclog and unleash a full load on all who deserve it most. There won't be an umbrella big enough to shield away from it.


Sure. Any moment now, right? And I bet Jesus will be back too.



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29 Jun 2025, 2:01 pm

No, karma is wishful thinking from people who need to imagine a just universe.


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29 Jun 2025, 4:31 pm

Nightwing82 wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
I believe that karma is constipated at the moment, but soon its bowels will unclog and unleash a full load on all who deserve it most. There won't be an umbrella big enough to shield away from it.


Sure. Any moment now, right? And I bet Jesus will be back too.


If the people get fed up with the status quo and revolt taking matters and justice into their own hands, that still counts.


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29 Jun 2025, 4:59 pm

Aspiegaming wrote:
Nightwing82 wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
I believe that karma is constipated at the moment, but soon its bowels will unclog and unleash a full load on all who deserve it most. There won't be an umbrella big enough to shield away from it.


Sure. Any moment now, right? And I bet Jesus will be back too.


If the people get fed up with the status quo and revolt taking matters and justice into their own hands, that still counts.

Revolutions tend to go really, really badly. Basically, one group of totally corrupt narcissists/machiavellians/psychopaths are replaced with a very comparably corrupt, different group of narcissists/machiavellians/psychopaths, who ostensibly champion a competing ideology.

Since nobody really looks at the psychology of these leaders in any serious or meaningful way, nothing really changes in the way of a promised utopia getting any closer. These leaders know all too well that all they have to do is convincingly promise such a utopia, but then wouldn't you know it, they never actually deliver it. In a nutshell, power in the hands of dark psychology just shifts to other people with very comparable dark psychology. Power is siezed by one such group after another, all awaiting their turn and opportunity.

There are many examples of this. A recent one, using the example of the Khmer Rouge revolutionaries:

"Why Cambodia & Laos Are Absurdly Empty":


Also see chapter 28 (called "The Parable of the Communists") in the awesome book "The Status Game", by Will Stor (ISBN 9780008354633). Nails the point I'm making.

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The elite in the Communist Party, including administrators and higher army and government officials, became known as the nomenklatura. In 1933, at the height of the famine during which kulaks were eating grass, tree bark and each other, luxury trains were taking its members on holidays to health spas in the south. One official document notes a single month's tally in just one of their restaurant cars: 200 kg butter; 150 kg Swiss Cheese; 500 kg sausages; 500 kg chicken; 550 kg of different kinds of meat; 300 kg fish (plus 350 kg canned fish and 100 kg herring); 100 kg caviar; 300 kg sugar; 160 kg chocolate and sweets; 100 boxes of fruit; 60,000 cigarettes. One member wrote: "The nomenklatura is on another planet. It's Mars. It's not simply a matter of good cars or apartments. It's the continuous satisfaction of your own whims, the way an army of boot-lickers allows you to work painlessly for hours. All the little apparatchiks are ready to do everything for you. Your every wish is fulfilled. You can go to the theater on a whim, you can fly to Japan from your hunting lodge. It's a life in which everything flows easily "You are like a king: just point your finger and it is done." By the time the Soviet Union collapsed, the nomenklatura and their families numbered around three million, about 1.5 per cent of the population. This, observes historian Professor Richard Pipes, is "approximately the same proportion of nobles under tsarism in the eighteenth century. And the favors it enjoyed resembled those of the magnates of that age."

What had gone wrong? Communism was supposed to bring about a "kingdom of equality". It wasn't that the Soviet Union had been merely unlucky in having Lenin and Stalin lead it, or that their class-ridden tyranny was somehow peculiar to their cultural character: hierarchies and horrors emerged also in Cambodia and China. In fact, the error the Communists made can be traced back to the arguments of Plato. More than two thousand years before the revolution, the Ancient Greek who'd first dreamed the Communist dream had been corrected by his student, Aristotle, who'd pointed out it wasn't actually wealth or private ownership that created the human yearning to get ahead. That yearning was a part of our nature: "it is not possession but the desires of mankind which require to be equalized".

The parable of the Communists reveals the impossibility of ridding human existence of the game. The drive to get ahead will always assert itself. It's in us. It's who we are. The first decades of the Soviet Union find the status game in all its details: its irrepressibility; its capacity to raise violence; the grandiosity it inspires in winning players and leaders; the inevitability of elites; the flaw that makes people believe they're always deserving of more status; the use of humiliation as the ultimate weapon; the horror of the cousins and their genius for tyranny; the ideological war games that rage across neural territories; our vulnerability to believing almost any dream of reality if our status depends on it; the capacity for that dream to pervert our perception of reality; the danger of active belief; esoteric language; zealous leaders who cast visions of heavenly status in future promised lands and target enemies to its rising; the anger and enthusiasm they inspire; the cycle of gossip, outrage, consensus and harsh punishment; the paranoia that can afflict leaders and the terrors it brings; the grim magic of toxic morality and its conjuring trick of making evil seem virtuous; the necessity of games to generate status if they're to endure; the world-changing power of the status goldrush.

The story idealists sometimes tell of humanity says we're natural seekers of equality. This isn't true. Utopians talk of injustice whilst building new hierarchies and placing themselves at the top. We all do this. It's in our nature. The urge for rank is ineradicable. It's the secret goal of our lives, to win status for ourselves and our game - and gain as much of it over you and you and you as we can. It's how we make meaning. It's how we make identity. It's the worst of us, it's the best of us and it's the inescapable truth of us: for humans, equality will always be the impossible dream.


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29 Jun 2025, 5:04 pm

Aspiegaming wrote:
Nightwing82 wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
I believe that karma is constipated at the moment, but soon its bowels will unclog and unleash a full load on all who deserve it most. There won't be an umbrella big enough to shield away from it.


Sure. Any moment now, right? And I bet Jesus will be back too.


If the people get fed up with the status quo and revolt taking matters and justice into their own hands, that still counts.


That's not justice, and in a best case scenario will be a rough approximation of justice.

And best case scenarios rarely occur.

I'm not saying I wouldn't find catharsis in it, only that you're lying to yourself if you think it would be justice.


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Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.