What is wrong with people?

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14 Dec 2015, 1:46 pm

Why is it a popular manner today to be silent towards people as a method of manipulation? What is it with the people who practice the silent treatment? How is it that anyone would want to be so mean to another? Why do people treat other people like machines and resources to be used and depleted and discarded? What is wrong with humanity? How has this world not set itself on fire yet when people are so sadistic and mean to each other on an individual basis? How bizarre it is that "silence is golden", but communication is "evil". How strange it is that divorce is defended and marriage assaulted. How weird it is that pastors quote more from Malachi 3:10 than chapter 2:16 of the same book (or even the Gospel itself.) What is wrong with people?


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14 Dec 2015, 1:51 pm

You have a lot of questions that can be answered in many nuanced ways.

However, the general answer to all of them is it's human nature.



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14 Dec 2015, 1:54 pm

looniverse wrote:
You have a lot of questions that can be answered in many nuanced ways.

However, the general answer to all of them is it's human nature.



Humans suck.


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14 Dec 2015, 2:16 pm

Life sucks if you think it does.

Life is rosy if you think it is.

Many things are subjective. You can choose to be pessimistic or optimistic about it. Either way, it's your choice.



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14 Dec 2015, 2:22 pm

looniverse wrote:
Life sucks if you think it does.

Life is rosy if you think it is.

Many things are subjective. You can choose to be pessimistic or optimistic about it. Either way, it's your choice.



Try living my life and telling me that.


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14 Dec 2015, 4:08 pm

The silent treatment is not something that started recently.
Wikipedia - Silent treatment


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15 Dec 2015, 12:43 am

Iamaparakeet wrote:
Why is it a popular manner today to be silent towards people as a method of manipulation? What is it with the people who practice the silent treatment? How is it that anyone would want to be so mean to another? Why do people treat other people like machines and resources to be used and depleted and discarded? What is wrong with humanity? How has this world not set itself on fire yet when people are so sadistic and mean to each other on an individual basis? How bizarre it is that "silence is golden", but communication is "evil". How strange it is that divorce is defended and marriage assaulted. How weird it is that pastors quote more from Malachi 3:10 than chapter 2:16 of the same book (or even the Gospel itself.) What is wrong with people?


Silent treatment and manipulation? These things are as old as time. However, honest and hard work are equally as old. I'd say it's the culture shock that drives people the craziest. I used to be just as perplexed and frustrated, but I found it easier to look for goodness and surround myself with it than to complain about the bad stuff. Don't get me wrong, I still complain....but for less time, lol....and I move on faster these days. "Shake it off" is a phrase I use often ;) . I think the best we can do is lead by example and enjoy our choice for morality and peace. Sometimes, seeing what is wrong helps a person appreciate their home and family more. Bad lifestyles and good lifestyles are both contagious. Sometimes the grass is brown and fugly on the other side, lol. So enjoy your grass. Play on your grass. Love your grass....and it will just get greener and more lovely. Oh yes, and I had to remind myself once to stop staring at the bad people, and I learned to spend more time watching the good people. They may be harder to find at first, but in time, I found just enough good people to compensate abundantly ;)



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15 Dec 2015, 9:53 am

Iamaparakeet wrote:
looniverse wrote:
Life sucks if you think it does.

Life is rosy if you think it is.

Many things are subjective. You can choose to be pessimistic or optimistic about it. Either way, it's your choice.



Try living my life and telling me that.


How do you know I haven't?

Woe are you; woe are you. We get it.

Well, no pity from me. Misery is a choice. There's two types of people in the world. One type has misfortune and says, "it could be worse!" The other type has misfortune and says, "this is as bad as it possibly can get." Well, ONE of them is right.



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15 Dec 2015, 10:05 am

Iamaparakeet,

Is your ex ignoring you? I've been ignoring my ex for over 25 years. She's a whiner, a liar, a cheat, and a thief. Keeping her out of my life since the divorce makes my life easier, because I don't have to deal with her crap - that's all that matters, and there is nothing wrong with that.

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15 Dec 2015, 12:29 pm

Iamaparakeet wrote:
looniverse wrote:
You have a lot of questions that can be answered in many nuanced ways.

However, the general answer to all of them is it's human nature.



Humans suck.

Then get a dog.
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15 Dec 2015, 1:10 pm

The silence of someone else could be the result of anxiety on their part?

I used to have several good friends.

Now I don't.

Simply because I can't communicate with them.

They're just an email away and I can't even log into that email account because they might have sent me a message...asking me...why didn't I get back to them when they needed me?

That was several years ago.

How do I explain to them that my whole body goes into a cold sweat. That I feel as if I'm experiencing tremors from the core of my body even though there's no observable physical response. That I feel forced to hide myself within weeks worth of data cataloguing in order to escape the mere thought of logging into that email account and actually having a conversation.

I've felt this way for years. I think about it every day. I still haven't sent the message.

It's driving me f*****g crazy.

There is a physical block - maybe even damage - in the very most fundamental core of my neurology when it comes to dealing with these emails that must be sent. They're my friends and yet...they're lost to me.

The point is...

Spontaneous and weird things can happen to people. Things that they can't even explain to themselves without immense stress for merely trying to think about and analyse why it might be happening to them.

Someone isn't necessarily trying to hurt you by being silent. They might be in silent agony because they can't communicate.



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15 Dec 2015, 1:11 pm

I did not know the silent treatment was all that popular, but I imagine people use it to manipulate for the same reasons they'd use other tactics to manipulate, to get what they want and take advantage of people and that kind of thing. People have been mean, even cruel to each other since the beginning of humanity and that hasn't changed, though some societies attempt to make advances to discourage it but you'll always have cruel sadistic people.

Of course divorce is defended, as a right at least I mean can you imagine if marriage legally bound you to someone for life regardless of how they end up treating you and it was a crime to leave them? divorce sucks but its necessary for it to be allowed.

As for marriage being assaulted, well you lost me there. Seems like it is still quite common place for people to get married and whilst divorce rates can be high there are a lot of marriages that last as well. Whats wrong with people are the things that have always been wrong with people.

And the bible has a lot of contradictory points, I mean you have Jesus talking of peace and loving your neighbor, and other verses calling for destruction of 'ungodly' cities and all the people in them, Jesus criticizing people stoning someone because 'let he who is sin free cast the first stone' and other verses that list all the kinds of people that ought to be stoned. So it shouldn't be a surprise a pastor picks and chooses some verses to use and not others.


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15 Dec 2015, 1:15 pm

looniverse wrote:
Life sucks if you think it does.

Life is rosy if you think it is.

Many things are subjective. You can choose to be pessimistic or optimistic about it. Either way, it's your choice.


Meh its not that simple, there are some things that will suck no mo matter how rosy you try to imagine it. I mean provided you have all the necessary basics and are in at least semi-decent health perspective has quite a lot to do with how you feel. However it is possible to fall into very dire situations where you'd be insane to say 'life is rosy'.


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16 Dec 2015, 8:34 am

You yourself might stop talking to someone if you were angry at them. Surely you could imagine the shoe being on the other foot.

I am sorry that you're going through this emotional crises, but we of the assembled crowd here on WP are not in a position to mediate between you and your estranged wife.

Try to get some counseling IRL please.

And take care.



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21 Dec 2015, 1:23 pm

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Iamaparakeet,

Is your ex ignoring you? I've been ignoring my ex for over 25 years. She's a whiner, a liar, a cheat, and a thief. Keeping her out of my life since the divorce makes my life easier, because I don't have to deal with her crap - that's all that matters, and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Yeah, she still is. Except for when Patty the cockatiel passed away. The last thing she wrote to me was, "I'm sorry for your loss. Patty was a good bird." Apart from that, she's still ignoring me. Jackie isn't so bad. She is a compulsive liar, but her mother taught her to be that way, so I don't really blame her for behaving as she was raised. It is annoying to be lied to since the beginning about stuff that didn't matter (like claiming she had a pork and shellfish allergy in order to be able to eat kosher without having to argue theology among fellow Christians and other churchians, or about saying that she had seen a hill open up and an F117 fly into when she lived in Dahlgren Minnesota. It's like, were you just seeing if I would believe you? Were you competing with my stepdad for talking about the declassified stuff he worked on when he helped program the GPS satellites and various guidance systems or what the heck reason did you like to me Jackie? It doesn't matter, I just love her and want her back.)

For some people I would never mind the lack of them ever, but Jackie is not one of them. I love my Jackie.


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21 Dec 2015, 1:26 pm

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Iamaparakeet wrote:
looniverse wrote:
You have a lot of questions that can be answered in many nuanced ways.

However, the general answer to all of them is it's human nature.



Humans suck.

Then get a dog.
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I already have pet birds. They are crazy. They've been my friends for more than a decade.


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