Seriously, why is there so much Misogyny on WrongPlanet?!

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28 Mar 2023, 3:36 pm

^ This is especially the case if a person is at a low point for whatever reason. Abusive people prey on vulnerable people who need support.


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28 Mar 2023, 3:57 pm

I'm not going to initiate any conflicts with anyone because I know I will be the one thrown of this forum

I am simply advising certain members to exercise caution when throwing around labels which vicariously hurt people struggling with relationships.



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28 Mar 2023, 3:59 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
^ This is especially the case if a person is at a low point for whatever reason. Abusive people prey on vulnerable people who need support.


I do hope your not suggesting "predatory behaviour"? it would seem labels are being thrown around with gay abandon in rhe Haven



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28 Mar 2023, 4:06 pm

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^ This is especially the case if a person is at a low point for whatever reason. Abusive people prey on vulnerable people who need support.


I do hope your not suggesting "predatory behaviour"? it would seem labels are being thrown around with gay abandon in rhe Haven

Why are you taking this personally? (Also, why do you keep on singling me out?) I’m not accusing you or making an open accusation of anyone.

There has been a problem with predatory behavior on WP, as is outlined here:

viewtopic.php?t=412595

I’m not throwing labels around. Maybe you should try reading what I actually say more carefully.


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28 Mar 2023, 4:12 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
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^ This is especially the case if a person is at a low point for whatever reason. Abusive people prey on vulnerable people who need support.


I do hope your not suggesting "predatory behaviour"? it would seem labels are being thrown around with gay abandon in rhe Haven

Why are you taking this personally? I’m not accusing you or making an open accusation of anyone.

There has been a problem with predatory behavior on WP, as is outlined here:

viewtopic.php?t=412595

I’m not throwing labels around. Maybe you should try reading what I actually said more carefully.


Maybe he should stop gaslighting abused women while he's at it.

#ME TOO


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28 Mar 2023, 4:14 pm

^ :heart:

#ME TOO.


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28 Mar 2023, 5:13 pm

 ! Cornflake wrote:
Although this thread has become more of a general chat thread, it is still in The Haven and is still subject to that forum's rules, here:
viewtopic.php?t=297515

So let's have no more of the accusatory snark, Ok?


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28 Mar 2023, 5:23 pm

Okay, just to add to what I said in my last post in this thread. People were wondering why there is misogyny in the L&D forum and I responded with how I thought it became that way. For further context, take a look at this thread from 2014 and in particular, take a look at my discussion with and criticisms of posters "mdr_02" and "Geekonychus" (it starts on page 2). They were among the people who used to inappropriately denigrate people in the L & D forum just for lacking the social skills required for dating and posting about it, even inappropriately calling them "misogynists". Trouble is, if left-leaning people do this, even on this forum (where I assumed that dating issues related Aspergers was what the L&D forum was actually for), then it becomes easier for those people to disregard everything that's said and instead fall down the "red pill" and "MRA" rabbit hole and actual misogyny ensues. Then we wonder why the L&D forum turns into a toxic quagmire. It basically backfires.

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=251498



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28 Mar 2023, 6:21 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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My theory (or whatever it is, for lack of a better term) is that a lot of guys who post these kind of threads are just more upset that they cannot have a physical aspect of a relationship more than an emotional one. That's what they seem to care about the most, what they can get to get off, so to speak. A woman is just a device for selfish whims.


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Women hate incels and incels hate women, .


I find these comments offensive on behalf of the 33% of young cis-men who are never going to have a relationship with a woman, the vast majority of whom are decent and don't look at women as objects and have nothing to do with incel culture


There are incels, and there are incels.
I don't know enough about it, but it is my understanding that originally the term "incel" was benign.
These days, being an incel mostly refers to "women haters".
Can anyone klarify?



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28 Mar 2023, 6:45 pm

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But that doesn't mean I'll hold back if I see something that's clearly offensive or stupid.


THAT is why this thread should not be in THE HAVEN! :mrgreen:



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28 Mar 2023, 6:53 pm

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In the past, lot's of people in L & D forum were accused of being misogynist just for lacking the social skills to get a relationship and continually asking for advice when the advice given to them didn't work. An explosion of actual misogyny started 10 years ago as a backlash to this trend. That's when it actually increased. I don't see that much misogyny in the L&D forums these days though. There aren't that many threads on the current front page of the L&D forum that look misogynistic to me.


I see too many posts labelled as misogyny when they don't seem to be.
A little too politically incorrect for THIS website, maybe, but not intended misogyny, imo.
At times, "THE PENDULUM" swings too far the OTHER way.
I think part of the problem is the campaign of report spamming.



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28 Mar 2023, 6:53 pm

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
honeytoast wrote:
My theory (or whatever it is, for lack of a better term) is that a lot of guys who post these kind of threads are just more upset that they cannot have a physical aspect of a relationship more than an emotional one. That's what they seem to care about the most, what they can get to get off, so to speak. A woman is just a device for selfish whims.


Rexi wrote:
Women hate incels and incels hate women, .


I find these comments offensive on behalf of the 33% of young cis-men who are never going to have a relationship with a woman, the vast majority of whom are decent and don't look at women as objects and have nothing to do with incel culture


There are incels, and there are incels.
I don't know enough about it, but it is my understanding that originally the term "incel" was benign.
These days, being an incel mostly refers to "women haters".
Can anyone klarify?




The term was first coined in 1997 by a woman in Toronto.
incel (small i) means anyone who is involuntarily celibate, including women or trans.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9449316/femc ... er-incels/

Excellent article also about Femcels. ^ Very highly recommended.



Incel (proper noun) means the political extremist ideology.

The first time I heard the word Incel was the Montreal Massacre in 1989 when I was a student there.
Marc Lepine. I don't want to think about him but here ya go:


Content Warning: Mass Femicide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine


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28 Mar 2023, 7:00 pm

^ I nearly posted something about the 'i' being capitalized denotes a different type but wasn't sure if this was the case.

What happens if it's the first word in a sentence?


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28 Mar 2023, 7:04 pm

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But more complex things that may or may not be that malicious depending on which way one looks at it where viewpoint can vary depending on a person's culture, age, gender, race, etc etc, should be allowed to be voiced if it's like matter-of-fact statements in a discussion. Meaning people shouldn't have to feel nervous or hesitant to have their own views or opinions.


Unfortunately, this website leans heavily towards political correctness, and that means even statements of FACT can at times be frowned upon.
I have a personal problem with The Truth being trodden into the mud because of a particular political ideology.



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28 Mar 2023, 7:07 pm

Pepe wrote:
Jono wrote:
In the past, lot's of people in L & D forum were accused of being misogynist just for lacking the social skills to get a relationship and continually asking for advice when the advice given to them didn't work. An explosion of actual misogyny started 10 years ago as a backlash to this trend. That's when it actually increased. I don't see that much misogyny in the L&D forums these days though. There aren't that many threads on the current front page of the L&D forum that look misogynistic to me.


I think part of the problem is the campaign of report spamming.
Nothing would happen if the reports were deemed baseless.


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29 Mar 2023, 3:05 am

Don't know, but it is a serious problem. I stopped using the entire site at one point for a while because of constantly being attacked and belittled in L&D when trying to talk about my (lack of) love life. I did come back, but with the decision to not go to L&D again. That decision held for a while, but then I decided that I could still read stuff from there if I just didn't post anything. That rule has held. I occasionally read stuff from L&D, report misogynistic or otherwise offensive posts and reply to some people's questions there by PM, but I don't post there, ever. Haven't posted in years, despite being tempted a few times. I feel like it's just not a safe thing to do for a woman. The L&D -section just isn't safe. I've taken the option of not using it at all because it was the easiest, but really, telling people not to use L&D if they don't like being attacked is like telling women who fear being assaulted to not go outside. It shouldn't be that way; no one should have to fear being attacked just because of who they are. What if we changed women to autistic people? "If you don't want to be laughed at and ridiculed for your lack of social skills, don't go where there are other people." Saying this would cause a racket here, but it's not any different from telling women to not go out if they fear being attacked.

Also, I'd like to say I'm glad this is in The Haven and not in L&D, because this being in the later section would've meant I wouldn't have felt safe to answer, though I would've probably sent a PM to the topic starter that explains all this. So, if the mods decide to move this thread at some point, please put it in the off topic -section or anywhere else that isn't L&D. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other people who thought like this too.