What Works For You To Deal With Suicidal Thoughts

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12 Apr 2018, 5:12 am

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Might sound like a sick joke or just trite, but sometimes I'm convinced that my lousy executive functioning is one of the main reasons I'm still alive - that and a hefty dose of gallows humour, apathy and cynicism (a kind of morbid fascination whether things can possibly get worse.)

My experience is very much like what magz said - I just accepted suicidal ideation as being a "normal" part of my thinking since before my teens. It almost became a kind of sick running joke with my last therapist - she would ask whether I had had suicidal thoughts since the last session, which I would often answer honestly with yes. If she got concerned about it, I would just tell her (still totally honestly) that I've had them for as long as I can remember, yet I'm still here. I have been on the brink of acting upon it many times (collecting pills, learning how to tie a noose/calculate the drop height etc.) I honestly couldn't say what stopped me each time, but I am absolutely certain that it was never a fear of death itself.

I would say that "accepting" the thoughts in some way seems to be part of it - a kind of mindfulness maybe, to be able to remind myself that it isn't necessarily "madness" or "irrational" to have those thoughts, and that I've had those impulses so many times before that the odds are very much that they will pass. On the flip side, I think there's often nothing worse than having people try to talk you out of having those thoughts - the kind of almost emotional blackmail and trying to reassure with thoughts of the "better future" that you're "throwing away", generally just tend to deepen the depressive mood in my experience, and I'd much rather be left alone to ride it out.


I think this is where I'm at ^ , In my post diagnosis session I talked about suicide thoughts and my planning ( I know how far I have to fall to snap my neck :twisted: <--- gallows humour ) and I was told it was OK to plan it as 99 times out of 100 that's all it is , almost like escapism till I've processed what's bugging me. My GF on the other hand is furious at this comment and is of the opinion that it is not productive. I agree about the 'emotional blackmail' , it tends to just make me feel guilty and darken the mood. I also promised my GF after last time that when I get these thoughts I will tell her as she had no idea how I was feeling , I've told her a few times but it just feels like some sort of manipulation to me so I've stopped.


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12 Apr 2018, 5:12 am

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What I've learned from this forum is that if you are someone who has been suicidal but is not currently suicidally depressed, your advice on how you got from being suicidal to not suicidal is not welcome and it is in fact cruel and sadistic to share it here. If you don't currently feel suicidal and you learned some things about how not to feel like killing yourself, you should keep them to yourself because people who are suicidal don't want to hear it. It just sounds like you're calling them worthless emotional vampires if you suggest there are things you can do that might help you get to a place where you want to kill yourself less. That's what I was told.


Well all I can say is I welcome your advice on this thread if you have anything that you found useful. Are you going to let a few posters keep you silent ?

@smudge did you see my question up there ^


I'd rather not risk getting banned, I've already been told my posting is too "provocative" and it has caused several members to campaign to at least one moderator to get me banned. I don't want to "provoke" anyone, so it's better I keep my experiences with depression and suicidal thoughts and how I have dealt with that to myself.


You do what you need to do to stay an active member :)


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12 Apr 2018, 5:15 am

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I wish I had some helpful advice, but really, all I can do is wait for them to go away, and sooner or later, they do... but then sooner or later, they're back again.


Saying you have no helpful advice is actually helpful advice if you didn't know , it just shows there is a few of us in a boat that can't find what we need - does that make sense.


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12 Apr 2018, 5:17 am

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Suicidal thoughts were part of my adolescence too, but I knew I had to get out of that household and out of that small town before I made that commitment. I promised myself that if things hadn't improved by the time I was 30, I could go ahead.

Well, much had changed between 15 and 30. Defer action, and do things to make your life better in the meantime.

As I enter old age, it becomes an open question again. I think what is most likely is that I will simply take worse care of myself and let nature take its course. But I am far from that stage yet.



It could well be a situational thing for me but the catch 22 is change also brings on these thoughts


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12 Apr 2018, 5:47 am

SaveFerris wrote:
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I wish I had some helpful advice, but really, all I can do is wait for them to go away, and sooner or later, they do... but then sooner or later, they're back again.


Saying you have no helpful advice is actually helpful advice if you didn't know , it just shows there is a few of us in a boat that can't find what we need - does that make sense.


I guess I can see how that's helpful for me to say - it shows that people are reading this looking for anything that might help, which might help encourage people to share what's worked for them (I'm not intending to pressure anyone who doesn't feel comfortable doing so for any reason, though, just to be clear).


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12 Apr 2018, 5:47 am

Trogluddite wrote:
I would say that "accepting" the thoughts in some way seems to be part of it - a kind of mindfulness maybe, to be able to remind myself that it isn't necessarily "madness" or "irrational" to have those thoughts, and that I've had those impulses so many times before that the odds are very much that they will pass. On the flip side, I think there's often nothing worse than having people try to talk you out of having those thoughts - the kind of almost emotional blackmail and trying to reassure with thoughts of the "better future" that you're "throwing away", generally just tend to deepen the depressive mood in my experience, and I'd much rather be left alone to ride it out.

Agree. My expirience is also this. My spouse hates me getting melancholic and contemplating death but I actually get better if I do. So I'm just careful to do it when he's not around. It's kind of socially unacceptable but it's not really bad.

The main reason I carried on when it got really bad was that I knew my death would harm others. I knew it would be a burden that could break my parents, traumatize my spouse and leave the children motherless... and I never wanted them to suffer. So I don't do it just for another two days. And then another two.
But I find a relief in contemplating the idea of my own death. Some day the right time will come. This doesn't harm anyone.


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12 Apr 2018, 6:01 am

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I wish I had some helpful advice, but really, all I can do is wait for them to go away, and sooner or later, they do... but then sooner or later, they're back again.


Saying you have no helpful advice is actually helpful advice if you didn't know , it just shows there is a few of us in a boat that can't find what we need - does that make sense.


I guess I can see how that's helpful for me to say - it shows that people are reading this looking for anything that might help, which might help encourage people to share what's worked for them (I'm not intending to pressure anyone who doesn't feel comfortable doing so for any reason, though, just to be clear).


One size doesn't fit all , what works for one doesn't necessarily work for others , the idea was someone might post something insightful that might help someone else. I'm not going to bash anyone for offering advice and I can understand why some will avoid this thread like the plague. Just knowing you are not alone in what you feel or what doesn't work can sometimes help others - i think.


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12 Apr 2018, 6:06 am

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But I find a relief in contemplating the idea of my own death. Some day the right time will come. This doesn't harm anyone.


I find these kind of thoughts comforting and they feel like an old friend , I am in two minds whether they are are counterproductive or not , I could say they have a 100% success rate as I'm not dead but I have acted out on my thoughts many times and always f****d it up and felt twice as bad immediately afterwards.


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12 Apr 2018, 6:45 am

SaveFerris wrote:
Trogluddite wrote:
Might sound like a sick joke or just trite, but sometimes I'm convinced that my lousy executive functioning is one of the main reasons I'm still alive - that and a hefty dose of gallows humour, apathy and cynicism (a kind of morbid fascination whether things can possibly get worse.)

My experience is very much like what magz said - I just accepted suicidal ideation as being a "normal" part of my thinking since before my teens. It almost became a kind of sick running joke with my last therapist - she would ask whether I had had suicidal thoughts since the last session, which I would often answer honestly with yes. If she got concerned about it, I would just tell her (still totally honestly) that I've had them for as long as I can remember, yet I'm still here. I have been on the brink of acting upon it many times (collecting pills, learning how to tie a noose/calculate the drop height etc.) I honestly couldn't say what stopped me each time, but I am absolutely certain that it was never a fear of death itself.

I would say that "accepting" the thoughts in some way seems to be part of it - a kind of mindfulness maybe, to be able to remind myself that it isn't necessarily "madness" or "irrational" to have those thoughts, and that I've had those impulses so many times before that the odds are very much that they will pass. On the flip side, I think there's often nothing worse than having people try to talk you out of having those thoughts - the kind of almost emotional blackmail and trying to reassure with thoughts of the "better future" that you're "throwing away", generally just tend to deepen the depressive mood in my experience, and I'd much rather be left alone to ride it out.


...and I was told it was OK to plan it as 99 times out of 100 that's all it is , almost like escapism till I've processed what's bugging me.


That was what I meant. :) I get why your girlfriend felt that way, I’d feel the same if someone said that to my partner (not that I have one currently).


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12 Apr 2018, 6:55 am

smudge wrote:
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Trogluddite wrote:
Might sound like a sick joke or just trite, but sometimes I'm convinced that my lousy executive functioning is one of the main reasons I'm still alive - that and a hefty dose of gallows humour, apathy and cynicism (a kind of morbid fascination whether things can possibly get worse.)

My experience is very much like what magz said - I just accepted suicidal ideation as being a "normal" part of my thinking since before my teens. It almost became a kind of sick running joke with my last therapist - she would ask whether I had had suicidal thoughts since the last session, which I would often answer honestly with yes. If she got concerned about it, I would just tell her (still totally honestly) that I've had them for as long as I can remember, yet I'm still here. I have been on the brink of acting upon it many times (collecting pills, learning how to tie a noose/calculate the drop height etc.) I honestly couldn't say what stopped me each time, but I am absolutely certain that it was never a fear of death itself.

I would say that "accepting" the thoughts in some way seems to be part of it - a kind of mindfulness maybe, to be able to remind myself that it isn't necessarily "madness" or "irrational" to have those thoughts, and that I've had those impulses so many times before that the odds are very much that they will pass. On the flip side, I think there's often nothing worse than having people try to talk you out of having those thoughts - the kind of almost emotional blackmail and trying to reassure with thoughts of the "better future" that you're "throwing away", generally just tend to deepen the depressive mood in my experience, and I'd much rather be left alone to ride it out.


...and I was told it was OK to plan it as 99 times out of 100 that's all it is , almost like escapism till I've processed what's bugging me.


That was what I meant. :) I get why your girlfriend felt that way, I’d feel the same if someone said that to my partner (not that I have one currently).


Thanks :) I think unless you've experienced it you might not understand


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12 Apr 2018, 7:09 am

Do you mean “you” in the general sense or me specifically?


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12 Apr 2018, 7:49 am

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Do you mean “you” in the general sense or me specifically?


the general sense , you seem to know exactly what i'm talking about.


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