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08 Mar 2011, 10:27 am

seems we think the same in this matter, young skywalker. 8)



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08 Mar 2011, 10:29 am

I don't go around looking for violence. (sometimes I do because it is fun).

But if I am going to get punched I am going to hurt them. Possibly even more then they planned on getting hurt. Maybe I go to far but whatever.



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08 Mar 2011, 10:31 am

hehe, if i'm 'young skywalker'(anakin or luke?), who are you? :roll: :lol:
but yea, great minds think alike ;)



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08 Mar 2011, 10:32 am

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hehe, if i'm 'young skywalker'(anakin or luke?), who are you? :roll: :lol:
but yea, great minds think alike ;)


truthfully i've never seen star wars. :lol:
it's just something one of my co-workers often says to me.
he also likes to say this 'riddle me this, batgirl.'



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08 Mar 2011, 10:39 am

Plywood wrote:
I don't go around looking for violence. (sometimes I do because it is fun).

But if I am going to get punched I am going to hurt them. Possibly even more then they planned on getting hurt. Maybe I go to far but whatever.


so you do go around looking for violence? because it is fun, to you at least. so you disagree with emilion's original statement because you enjoy violence, not from any 'moral standpoint'? :( probably sounds offensive but i pity you. not much though, sympathy is not a strong virtue for me.



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08 Mar 2011, 10:43 am

emlion wrote:
Fudo wrote:
hehe, if i'm 'young skywalker'(anakin or luke?), who are you? :roll: :lol:
but yea, great minds think alike ;)


truthfully i've never seen star wars. :lol:
it's just something one of my co-workers often says to me.
he also likes to say this 'riddle me this, batgirl.'


poor emilion, you gotta see star wars!! was just joking that you're younger than me.. but anyway go see star wars lol. good films, they are, see them, you must..



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08 Mar 2011, 10:52 am

Once. I defended myself, after being bullied for months, by kicking him in the stomach (in the middle of the school's playground). His co-bully then hit me in the face.

The result was: a blue eye that lasted for a few days, the bullies got punished and never bothered me again (at least not in my face) and the teachers finally started taking bullying seriously and rules were set up to protect children against it.

I let myself being bullied for months because I refused to resort to violence (I tried all kinds of things to get it to stop, kicking was really a last resort). I wish I'd retaliated earlier.

I still don't believe violence is ever the solution. Sometimes, however, it's needed to make people realise there's a problem. In a perfect world, people would listen to victims and help them and everyone would stand up to bullies. As long as it doesn't happen, bullying will beget violence.

I'm not proud of what I did, but I truly believe I was out of options, and that the bullies were asking for it. What should I have done? Let myself be bullied for years and years?


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08 Mar 2011, 11:05 am

Tsela wrote:
Once. I defended myself, after being bullied for months, by kicking him in the stomach (in the middle of the school's playground). His co-bully then hit me in the face.

The result was: a blue eye that lasted for a few days, the bullies got punished and never bothered me again (at least not in my face) and the teachers finally started taking bullying seriously and rules were set up to protect children against it.

I let myself being bullied for months because I refused to resort to violence (I tried all kinds of things to get it to stop, kicking was really a last resort). I wish I'd retaliated earlier.

I still don't believe violence is ever the solution. Sometimes, however, it's needed to make people realise there's a problem. In a perfect world, people would listen to victims and help them and everyone would stand up to bullies. As long as it doesn't happen, bullying will beget violence.

I'm not proud of what I did, but I truly believe I was out of options, and that the bullies were asking for it. What should I have done? Let myself be bullied for years and years?


i don't think you were particularly 'wrong' to kick said bully.. i would disagree about violence being 'necessary' though. if someone is physically attacking one's self, then yes unless you want a beating you pretty much have to fight or run/hide. it's just the attacking that i'm against. ie beating up a bully who, while they may have done so, isn't attacking you at the time. if that makes sense.
a Sensei once said to me, something like 'don't fight, don't ever start a fight, if you are attacked, end the fight quickly, causing minimal harm'. he said many things, but this seems to sum up my thoughts on self-defence.



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08 Mar 2011, 12:13 pm

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I'm not proud of what I did, but I truly believe I was out of options, and that the bullies were asking for it. What should I have done? Let myself be bullied for years and years?

Agreed, and the judge in my own case seemed to see things the same way and only gave me the bare-minimum sentence ... and I was only given a minimal warning for non-violently calling a bully out right here on WP. We do not have to be doormats for anybody, but then neither should we expect kudos for letting people know we will take no more of their bullying.


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08 Mar 2011, 1:30 pm

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I don't go around looking for violence. (sometimes I do because it is fun).

But if I am going to get punched I am going to hurt them. Possibly even more then they planned on getting hurt. Maybe I go to far but whatever.


so you do go around looking for violence? because it is fun, to you at least. so you disagree with emilion's original statement because you enjoy violence, not from any 'moral standpoint'? :( probably sounds offensive but i pity you. not much though, sympathy is not a strong virtue for me.


Let me rephrase that. I go around looking for CONFLICT maybe even starting CONFLICT butnot many fights but I will fight if I have too. I think we all enjoy violence to some extent. It is human. Why would you pity me?



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08 Mar 2011, 1:37 pm

I fought everybody who ever messed with me. I was always much smaller then everyone until grade 5-6 so they never knew they were picking on somebody who knew karate. I got really tired of S*** from two people who were supposed to be my friends and spent all their time trying to alienate me from the rest of the school. So one day I saw them lying down on this little dell in the snow hill normally part of the school yard, so I jumped down on them and headlocked them both and made them eat dirty snow, I made them bleed, and the teachers knew they deserved it. I got in no trouble. Nobody really f***ed with me ever again. Not until high school, and I decided it was easier to mess with people in ways that would actually inconvenience in more ways then physical harm. So I would bring super glue into school and use it in fun ways on my tormentors and their property. I hate resorting to violence, but when I was younger I often had no choice as I had no support from anybody except my fists


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08 Mar 2011, 1:55 pm

Plywood wrote:
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Plywood wrote:
I don't go around looking for violence. (sometimes I do because it is fun).

But if I am going to get punched I am going to hurt them. Possibly even more then they planned on getting hurt. Maybe I go to far but whatever.


so you do go around looking for violence? because it is fun, to you at least. so you disagree with emilion's original statement because you enjoy violence, not from any 'moral standpoint'? :( probably sounds offensive but i pity you. not much though, sympathy is not a strong virtue for me.


Let me rephrase that. I go around looking for CONFLICT maybe even starting CONFLICT butnot many fights but I will fight if I have too. I think we all enjoy violence to some extent. It is human. Why would you pity me?


i guess it depends what you mean by conflict, i seek what i would call conflict but i think our definitions differ. i understand 'enjoying' or appreciating violence but not in the sense i thought you meant. ie enjoying hurting someone, i may well have been wrong. pity you as in, if you do enjoy hurting people i would think there's 'something wrong', you're perhaps missing something important or ignorant or just plain nasty, but again i could be wrong & it's not for me to judge, just trying to answer you fully & honestly.

you mention violence is natural or human as you said but in this context they are reasonably synonymous & it's true, but i don't think that makes it excusable. or right, you know?



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08 Mar 2011, 2:03 pm

Sometimes violence is an answer, but it is never a solution


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08 Mar 2011, 2:08 pm

Fudo wrote:
Plywood wrote:
Fudo wrote:
Plywood wrote:
I don't go around looking for violence. (sometimes I do because it is fun).

But if I am going to get punched I am going to hurt them. Possibly even more then they planned on getting hurt. Maybe I go to far but whatever.


so you do go around looking for violence? because it is fun, to you at least. so you disagree with emilion's original statement because you enjoy violence, not from any 'moral standpoint'? :( probably sounds offensive but i pity you. not much though, sympathy is not a strong virtue for me.


Let me rephrase that. I go around looking for CONFLICT maybe even starting CONFLICT butnot many fights but I will fight if I have too. I think we all enjoy violence to some extent. It is human. Why would you pity me?


i guess it depends what you mean by conflict, i seek what i would call conflict but i think our definitions differ. i understand 'enjoying' or appreciating violence but not in the sense i thought you meant. ie enjoying hurting someone, i may well have been wrong. pity you as in, if you do enjoy hurting people i would think there's 'something wrong', you're perhaps missing something important or ignorant or just plain nasty, but again i could be wrong & it's not for me to judge, just trying to answer you fully & honestly.

you mention violence is natural or human as you said but in this context they are reasonably synonymous & it's true, but i don't think that makes it excusable. or right, you know?


I don't enjoy hurting people but I enjoy the conflict that goes with everything. The emotions that go with fighting. I fight enough to win but sometimes my emotions take me away and I go to far. I don't enjoy it though.

I troll a lot however so I enjoy lots of conflict. I enjoy problems.



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08 Mar 2011, 2:30 pm

well i don't know if we got very far but it was kinda fun to talk about. :)

i used to go too far, i started strangling a kid when on holiday once (my own age) if people hadn't shouted to let him go i might not have.. haven't been in a fight for a very long time now though. i still love the idea of combat in some ways too. two honourable fighters testing each others strength fairly & respectfully is, i think, a beautiful thing but it seems 'real life' fights are very rarely like that.



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08 Mar 2011, 3:38 pm

Yes I have. I have pissed some off and I even used to get in fights with them here. I think all it did was bring joy to other members to watch and watching me stick up for myself and doing funny comebacks. Those were those days for me.

In 6th grade, my old best friend told me she didn't like me so she was going to be picking on me now and stuff. So mom told me what to say to her so I went to school the next day and told her I was so happy she doesn't like me anymore because it means she won't talk to me, look at me, call me on the phone, come to my house and I am so happy and I thank her for it. Her response, "You're stupid Beth" and mom told me she said that only because it didn't work what she said to me. I would say that was the best response ever.

I also remember when mom told me what to say to this boy in my neighborhood who was once friends with my brother. Mom told me what to say to him and he will never bother me again. So one day I saw him and I started talking to him so he start insulting me. I said to him "Look stupid up in the dictionary, it has a picture of you" and "Look ugly up in the dictionary, it has a picture of you." he went running to his mother and after that he never bothered me again. He acted like I wasn't even there when I be near him.

Yes as a kid I used to give my bullies a hard time and harass them because I believe they don't deserve any respect. I still believe that. I don't give rats what happens to bullies. If someone picks on them, I don't care because they deserve it. They deserve to be bullied. If they don't like it, learn to be nice to people.

But if we are only talking about psychical fights, then I have done that as a kid also but that was last thing I would do if they didn't leave me alone. It never worked but I never gave it up, even when the school would punish me for it.