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I have AS (officially/unofficially) and while people in my family may exhibit AS-like traits, they just as well could have something else, or not be on the spectrum at all. So I don't walk around saying that AS women abuse their family members. Since I am not a Dr. I don't go around presuming that just because I think they do... means I can make faulty causal links between my experiences and AS.

I don't have to respect opinions. Particularly ones of the nature found in this thread. And you certainly don't respect others opinions or you wouldn't be attacking them for expressing theirs. So now where are we? I respect your faulty and delusional opinion that you can armchair diagnose AS and then armchair link it to pedophilia? but when someone says it offends then... you don't have to respect their opinion, you just get to attack them.

.... nice

BTW, you can talk about pedophiles and AS all you want... if you only discuss pedophiles officially diagnosed with AS. providing links to the diagnosis.

You're making the implications that you are saying I'm making. You're talking yourself into circles. You're talking to yourself, actually.

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Maybe you just don't really know how to observe AS traits, and some people do it better than you.
There you go trying to tell me what I can and can't talk about again, very hypocritical of you, and emotional.
Let's just talk about you.

yes, and you know how to observe AS traits better than an official diagnosis.

You should become an AS diagnosis machine.

and I have a pretty good idea of AS traits. and there are people I know that might have AS. But I don't discuss it. and I don't attribute random personality or mental traits to the AS that I think they might have. It is faulty and presumptuous.

and you once again call me emotional for logically calling you out on your fallacy. And you call me hypocritical... for wha? presumable since I have already insinuated that you are... due to your previous attacks on other thread participants, and you whining about how other people need to respect your opinion.

I don't feel like talking about me. And to be honest I don't feel like talking about you. I just want this thread to not be a mess of unsubstantiated rumors and fear mongering.

You technically can talk about whatever you want... technically so can I.

And once, again, you have failed to make this thread the way you state you want it to be. Although, since it wasn't yours to begin with, you still took on the faulty engagement. Reread what you have written. Proofread what you have written. Your obsessions with fallacy are are implications that you are a gifted perfectionist, but not that you have AS. Maybe you don't. I've doubted it since I started researching your thread posts. All attention is still on you. I don't need to explain myself. Anyone can reread the thread if they like and make opinions of your behaviour and mine. You can't seem to really see what actually happened in the thread, and have taken all the few hundred readers on an extreme tangent temper tantrum. A-Mazing entertainment you've been, thanks. I'm sure more of your exploits are sure to follow. You know what, get more thorough on the next one, your confidence is really waning and you are back in your repetitive argument that really by now, is avoidable. You'll learn to think through it some day, but only you can do that for yourself, so it isn't wise to expect everyone to write what you need to read just for you.

I honestly just want you to start making sense. Though it amuses me that you think I don't have AS because you think I am a gifted perfectionist. When I was confirmed with AS today. Course there is nothing like an online armchair psychologist with a crayon degree telling you that they know all about you.



you don't want to explain yourself because you still can't cough up any proof that you are doing more than making stuff up. So you keep repeating yourself saying the attention is all on me. Because you want it on me. You don't want people to notice how horribly full of holes your arguments are.

And there are far more people in this thread who were concerned about the original post then you are looking at... maybe you need to look at the thread again. I am all for comforting and supporting someone who needs it. But never at the expense of another group of people. So I will be happy to provide support for her, not not if doing so implicates an innocent group of people in a correlation with criminals that is both unfounded and undeserved. Logic over emotion. You only see her wanting support and your emotions kick in and you run to support her in anyway she needs it. (which normally I have no inherent problem with). Except in doing so you are harming and offending an entire group of people who have done nothing to deserve it, by perpetuating an unfounded idea that (if it gains ground) would make their lives very difficult to live. Then when they expressed their concern with that you attacked them. Creating multiple victims in order to fully (and without thought) support your one victim. Which is logically unsound.

that and when I came in this thread had already been taken on an extreme emotional outburst tangent by you

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2002180.html#2002180

and since we are playing armchair psychologist, I can speculate that you do not consider their feelings as valid because she is a woman and they are men. particularly AS men, who might secretly be super evil child molesters. So her feelings are valid and their feelings are not.

as one of the "few hundread readers" who's been following this thread closely I must say that I've greatly enjoyed reading your posts and seeing you make a fool of yourself repeatedly.
Shiggily's posts are nothing but logical and argumentative yet you keep projecting your emotionality and lack of substance on her...

it seems that your daddy complex makes you extremely biased in this discussion and clouds your judgement.

With the exception of mixedtapebooty, you all who could not be supportive ought to drop dead. My good 'ol daddy should have done it to you. Now, I truly know why "most" (God fordid that I should say "all". That would open up a new can of stressed-out, bitchy worms) women hate each other. A lot of you are totally lacking in empathy but NOT for yourselves. Mixedtapebooty, you are one heck of a gal and probably the only feeling "WOMAN" on this site. Thank you from my very soul.

It is not a question of not feeling, it is question of resentment and rising above it. Of course empathy can never totally avoid being at other people's expense. Everything is relative, but we can at least try to rise above it with these vague generalisations. Bitterness and anger are like chains. They won’t make you feel any better.

Your experiences are very personal. I can't begin to empathise. I believe only people can believe they can put themselves in your shoes, which is not the same as being able to do it in reality. They don’t see through your eyes or experience what you do. Just like you don’t of them.

It is a weird thing it is like letting go of the past is I like you are denying it. Bit it doesn't have to be the case at all. Terrible things in your past will continue to damage you it you hold on to them.

Hey, I had nothing wrong with you expressing your post. I just stated that people shouldnt be arguing or debating about AS being linked to paedophilia because as they come from all walks of life and you cannot profile them to any particular person.

I am sorry you feel upset by peoples responses because you should feel supported.

The fact is AS should not be linked to paedolilia because ^ and I think this is the most relevant point. There should be no further discussions because it isn't helping any-one.

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That is true only to an extent because people go through stages were they need to let everything out. Hell! I did and got locked away for it. If some-one has a healthy oppurtunity to express their pain - they should be able to with out being held back which is sadly what has happened in this thread.

how very empathetic of you.

Women are we really all that bitchy

are we not yet done with generalisations on this thread?

I was honestly, just trying to piss you off. I'm really not trying to sit in an armchair, but this whole obsession of yours with it is rather quaint. I don't really give a rat's ass if you are DX'd or not, Shiggily. I'm a professional Sadist, not a psychologist, Shiggily, why don't you know that yet? I really think that you should let this one go. I deserve a reward for helping raise awareness. If you are really interested in more of what I think, send me a PM, I'd be happy to give you more of my opinions in private, but frankly, I'm not that interested in if you think this shouldn't be discussed out in the open, so before you go hiding behind a subgroup of angry onlookers, who don't count as the entire AS population... try comprehending what was actually said from an objective standpoint that makes sense to more than just people who you are letting egg you on. That's really all the advice I can offer you. I know, I know, you have AS, and some things are harder for you than other people... yada yada yada... well, at least I did hope you didn't have it before you told me, and thanks for coming out with it. Although, it could have been done better.



You can't comprehend anything in this thread that I have written, other than the part about meaning to pissing you off, I'm sure. (see above) I'm not making anything up, I'm just advocating for someone who is marginalised in this thread- her thread. I've seen you marginalise others on WP, if I recall, you may have taken on this attitude with me before. Shiggily, I don't feel sorry for you for getting offended, or for anyone else who did, really, but this thread wasn't meant to be about you, so back to the issue at hand....


If you think that me advocating a victim on WP is going to change mass public opinion, then you are just plain ol' paranoid. Is that part of AS? Now that you have a DX, can you take yourself a little more seriously and get some people to sign some petitions or something? Come on' you either want me banned, and are going to do something about it or you're just wasting your time. I think you and all these people are kidding yourselves if you think that somehow rumours of all AS males being pedophiles are going to surface in the general public and create mass affect. Shiggily, you're the one who made that statement initially, just so you could continue arguing. Haven't you figured out yet, that you've twisted the entirety of what I've said, just so you can go on with some old argument you use for everything? People tell their stories, and everyone's got a different experience. Some pedophiles have AS and so do their kids. I'm not arguing, or trying to prove anything. This isn't a debate as to who has more logic. You don't want to advocate someone, and have chosen to smear me for doing it. Find another way to be the intellectual bully, that we've all seen you be, consistently. You don't always make logical sense, so GET OVER IT, Shiggily.


This was actually pretty calm and collected, if I remember how I felt when I wrote it, and still feel in this thread, but hey, it's you who stereotype women for being emotional and irrational, not me.



Hey, now you've got it.

I could honestly care less what you claim to be "professionally" or otherwise. And if you were trying to piss me off you would have to try harder than that. You care enough that I was DX-ed to think that somehow claiming I didn't have it would offend me. But I could careless if I have it or not. And it is obvious that you are not a professional psychologist. And I suppose if I stopped to try to care about exactly why you do what you do I could figure out that you just like to screw with people for the hell of it. But honestly, conversing with you just kills time in between classes... as much of my WP activity is used for.

Actually I have survived quite well not knowing if I have AS or not. So a DX doesn't change that and I don't blame all my problems on things like that. I don't even blame all my problems on abuse. So, no, things aren't harder for me than other people. And if you hadn't noticed... no one else participated in the discussion between me and you until the end of page 3. So I fail to see where all the people egging me on come to play. And I normally only take advice from people that I know and trust unless their advice stands out as being worthwhile and particularly useful. Your advice seems to be neither worthwhile, nor useful... I don't know you nor do I want to... and from what I have seen from you, I don't particularly trust you or your advice.

as for your last sentence "it could have been done better" that statement just makes no sense. I wasn't coming out, throwing a party or really making any type of announcement. I was merely amused that your shoddy attempt at a diagnosis was completely different than what my actual diagnosis ended up being. I didn't know I had it before I told you. But nothing has changed from that day and today.

I am not offended. And it is generally considered good to look at who and in what situation you are advocating for. Like I said... I am all for advocating victims and supporting them. But not so that I will harm other people in the process. I don't just flip a coin or draw a slip of paper and advocate for whatever come up. I actually stop and think about both sides, consider which side needs being advocated more, etc. In this case, you have done enough advocating for the OP. And it was not turning out well. So I stepped in to advocate for the opposite side as no one was listening to what they were saying. I actually used to work as an advocate. It does not mean blindly and dogmatically supporting one side... taking everything they say at face value and beating anyone over the head who disagrees. You have to examine both sides, both points, and sometimes you need to stand up to who you are advocating for. Otherwise you are not an advocate, you are not thinking on your own, you are merely a bulldog that someone uses to mindlessly attack anyone they want.



The perpetuation of a myth is what changes mass opinion. And I am not paranoid, just realistic. If you think that anyone can make any statement at anytime without that statement being perpetuated as fact later on down the road is not living in reality. Let's see.... how many current myths/rumors are there about Autism and AS...

Myth: Autistic individuals are a danger to society.
Autistic People Don't Build Relationships
Autistic People Don't Have Feelings
Autistic People Are All Alike

Monsters are (almost never) born... they are primarily made.

actually this is the first time I have made this argument. What old argument that I use for everything. Yes, some pedophiles have AS, just as some are tall, some are fat, some have schizophrenia, some have high IQs. But you are not arguing that fat is responsible for pedophilia, nor height, nor skin color, nor IQ. So I fail to see why you are arguing that AS is. Despite the lack of evidence.

And I don't think people necessarily have more logic. Some just use it and some don't. I haven't qualified you as either (in general)



I thought you liked random stereotyping. Or are you only cool with your random stereotypes. I could provide you with resources to support the hormonal levels of the average woman, that correlation to female emotional bonding with young (and why that bonding is not always necessary in males of a species), and then provide you with the general breakdown of the relation between emotional reasoning and adequate rational reactions. But I doubt you would read them.


well, now that you have gone ahead and confirmed your bias and irrational thought process of favoring one group over another without evidence because you base you validity on the presence of a specific genitalia... I wonder why we are still having this conversation. Do you read what you write? when you do, do you honestly follow that line of thought "objectively"?