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LeeAnderson
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09 Nov 2010, 12:47 am

I can manipulate people if I so wish. I have done it many times before. I don't think it's overly difficult.

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09 Nov 2010, 8:22 am

puddingmouse wrote:

Kaybee wrote:

Though it is more commonly used that way, "manipulate" isn't an inherently negative word/action. If your loved one is sad and you want them to feel better, so you give them a hug, that is manipulating them into feeling better. At least, this is how I see it.

It's not manipulation if they ask for a hug, or you've hugged them before, so you've entered a 'hug me if I'm down' contract. :lol:

It's manipulation to lie to people to make them feel better. I'm not sure if that's morally wrong or not, but I can't bring myself to do it.

I am not in that sort of relationship with anyone, so that really doesn't alter my statement. I don't inherently disagree with what you're saying, though.

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09 Nov 2010, 8:56 am

i do not manipulate people.
i am (among other things) a programmer for a company who asks me (as an addition to my coding) to tell them who is not viable in their job in my opinion.

i often have to advise people that the exit door is only a few meters away from them, and i sometimes have to tell them that i do not have much admiration for their efforts.

if people who i am asked to endorse are insufficient for the position they occupy, then i will tell them that they are close to being excused from their duties, and they then usually make a greater effort to satisfy their roles.

if they do not re energize their compliance, then i will have to advise them to clear out their desk and wait for security to escort them from the building.

i do not think that that constitutes "manipulation", but in my mind it comes close. i do not like it that management leaves to me the task of retrenchment of people that work in my field.

when someone is told that they are skirting the "exhaust valve", they most often change their ways to a considerable degree.

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09 Nov 2010, 10:13 am

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Wow, kid, you have such a warped view on what it means to be "successful" that one can't help feeling sorry for you. I imagine you won't be that much different from the NTs who look down on Aspies because we don't fit their model of success.

Say what you want, but I did provide examples of my logic and perhaps you should look into it.

At the end of the day, these people are rich because they basically take whatever they can for themselves - that's the end of it.

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09 Nov 2010, 10:18 am

I've manipulated people before and lied and deceived too I'm not proud of it its generally not my nature but I learned these things from some bad areas in my childhood/early adulthood. I'm not a good liar though.

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09 Nov 2010, 12:40 pm

May not exactly count but I have a much easier time when Im having a woman interview me for a job. Not quite sure why but it just is. (they so far are much more likely to hire me.) Maybe I charm them without actually realizing it. Now if I can learn to harness that ability.... oh the possibilities.

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09 Nov 2010, 2:51 pm

Talis wrote:

Edit: I'll just post the nerdy example even though I hated the game :roll:

. In Mass Effect 2, you die and Some insanely rich guy spends like billions upon billions of dollars to bring you back to life. He then sends you on missions leaving out important info that is vital to them. Upon returning from each mission... he shiftily complements you and just says he knew you could handle yourself. His hand is leaving you in the dark and trying to kiss your ass when you do something he likes. Anyway I spent the entire game doing as he asked and in the final moments of the game he reveals his hand and tells you to do what you were meant for. Just as a kick to the teeth I defied what he asked and destroyed the very thing he was trying to use me for to salvage. He being an egotistical jack ass actually thought he was manipulating me when I in fact from the beginning already knew something was amiss. Manipulation is easily combated with deception. Also I don't know if it's a personal trait or an aspie trait but I always sense something is amiss when I get excessive compliments (sometimes the tone of a single compliment can even make me draw my guard)... it could be a sixth sense to the human world I guess.

I think the fact that the Illusive Man smokes is the biggest giveaway. Smoking in a video game is for teh bad guys.

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09 Nov 2010, 9:46 pm

puddingmouse wrote:

Talis wrote:

Edit: I'll just post the nerdy example even though I hated the game :roll:

I think the fact that the Illusive Man smokes is the biggest giveaway. Smoking in a video game is for teh bad guys.

Yeah, the Illusive man was a very obvious bad guy. I guess what I was getting at was even in real life I can sense false compliments out of my analyzing that it doesn't make sense to get so many for no reason unless someone is trying to falsely praise you to get something they want. Plus compliments don't usually excite me so it's easy to see when someone is being false with them. I'm again not sure if it's a personal trait or an aspie thing. I guess sometimes it doesn't matter if I can sense it though as sometimes it's somebody I like doing it so I just chalk it up to them trying to cheer me up

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10 Nov 2010, 9:15 am

I'm very bad at manipulating people and I don't have a desire to do so.

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10 Nov 2010, 11:15 am

Oh hell yeah! I'm constantly manipulating people into ridiculing and abusing me.

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