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17 Feb 2014, 4:36 am

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So for the sake of arguing. I'm sorry, but I am not going to get into what is already a losing battle with you over having a different view than you do. So have a nice day, really. :D


No. I responded because this is a message board and we respond to other people's opinions with our own opinions. That's why message boards exist.

In this case, my opinion is that calling everyone who disagrees with your opinion delusional, emotional, and/or irrational is an exercise in flinging cheap personal insults and not "logic."


Where exactly pray tell did I say everyone? Also do you believe it's rational to say all white people are racist? Do you find it rational to say all nts are bias against autistics? Do you find it rational to turn a topic about privilege into a racial debate? Do you find it rational to think that because your family is racist that everyone else is too? Do you find it rational to say that all nts will abuse you? That if someone that doesn't agree with you 100% that are in fact bias against their own kind? Where is the rational thinking when someone thinks nts are privilege because they got something an "aspie" didn't? Etc etc.

Really, get a grip and think before you decide to start this argument with me. Especially since your the one standing on the moral high ground of allowing others to have an opinion. Where is the rationale in that?

Also websters definition of delusion 1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded 2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary

I think there is plenty of proof that not all white people are racist, not all nts are bias towards autistics, etc etc. given that some people refused to hear or even attempt to hear any and all evidence to the contrary they have the delusion of thinking those things. So please explain to me how that isn't the case since some members dragged out a racial debate for over 9 pages to prove that nts are bias being the conversation was about privilege if they were being sane unemotional and rational? Why they felt the need to bash anyone who didn't agree with their ideas and why you feel the need to continue with your little crusade?

Btw I didn't attack anyone. I posted once saying I thought that the idea of nt privilege was self serving bias. Then I figured I'd post again with the definition of such. It was after that (page 6) I was attacked for having an opinion that clashed with some individuals. Then I responded and tried to drop it. The other posters refused. You want to promote free expression of ideas then don't condemn me for mine. Else you look like a fool.


Personally I don't believe all white people are racist (I'm Asian, and have known some very nice ones). And I disagree that all NTs are prejudiced against autistics. All my close friends are NTs, and even after I told them about my condition they didn't shun me. All the compassion, empathy and goodness I learnt was from NTs. And most importantly, they gave me friendship and confidence and helped me to learn social skills.



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17 Feb 2014, 6:55 am

This is a very strange thread. It is not about the topic raised in the op, but seems to be a sort of extended ad hominem continuation of an argument in another thread.

The op uses mildly abusive, derrisive language to attack the mental functioning or capacity of others while failing to address the purported issues in a meaningful way.

I would conclude from this that the op is someone who likes fighting verbally with people, particularly when the arguments in play can be used as a vehicle for a series of attacks of the other person's character.

Perhaps the op should consider an occupation in which such propensities could be employed in a socially acceptable way: there are opportunities in the legal field for argumentative people, for example. Don't expect people to like you for pursuing this interest in any other context, though.



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17 Feb 2014, 9:14 am

kicker wrote:
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So for the sake of arguing. I'm sorry, but I am not going to get into what is already a losing battle with you over having a different view than you do. So have a nice day, really. :D


No. I responded because this is a message board and we respond to other people's opinions with our own opinions. That's why message boards exist.

In this case, my opinion is that calling everyone who disagrees with your opinion delusional, emotional, and/or irrational is an exercise in flinging cheap personal insults and not "logic."


Where exactly pray tell did I say everyone? Also do you believe it's rational to say all white people are racist? Do you find it rational to say all nts are bias against autistics? Do you find it rational to turn a topic about privilege into a racial debate? Do you find it rational to think that because your family is racist that everyone else is too? Do you find it rational to say that all nts will abuse you? That if someone that doesn't agree with you 100% that are in fact bias against their own kind? Where is the rational thinking when someone thinks nts are privilege because they got something an "aspie" didn't? Etc etc.

Really, get a grip and think before you decide to start this argument with me. Especially since your the one standing on the moral high ground of allowing others to have an opinion. Where is the rationale in that?

Also websters definition of delusion 1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded 2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary

I think there is plenty of proof that not all white people are racist, not all nts are bias towards autistics, etc etc. given that some people refused to hear or even attempt to hear any and all evidence to the contrary they have the delusion of thinking those things. So please explain to me how that isn't the case since some members dragged out a racial debate for over 9 pages to prove that nts are bias being the conversation was about privilege if they were being sane unemotional and rational? Why they felt the need to bash anyone who didn't agree with their ideas and why you feel the need to continue with your little crusade?

Btw I didn't attack anyone. I posted once saying I thought that the idea of nt privilege was self serving bias. Then I figured I'd post again with the definition of such. It was after that (page 6) I was attacked for having an opinion that clashed with some individuals. Then I responded and tried to drop it. The other posters refused. You want to promote free expression of ideas then don't condemn me for mine. Else you look like a fool.


I never condemned you for having an opinion.

Secondly, the points you speak of were rationally argued and supported. The fact that you did not agree with the opposing side does not make the opposing side "delusional."

Not agreeing with Kicker =/= delusional.


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17 Feb 2014, 4:45 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
kicker wrote:
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kicker wrote:
So for the sake of arguing. I'm sorry, but I am not going to get into what is already a losing battle with you over having a different view than you do. So have a nice day, really. :D


No. I responded because this is a message board and we respond to other people's opinions with our own opinions. That's why message boards exist.

In this case, my opinion is that calling everyone who disagrees with your opinion delusional, emotional, and/or irrational is an exercise in flinging cheap personal insults and not "logic."


Where exactly pray tell did I say everyone? Also do you believe it's rational to say all white people are racist? Do you find it rational to say all nts are bias against autistics? Do you find it rational to turn a topic about privilege into a racial debate? Do you find it rational to think that because your family is racist that everyone else is too? Do you find it rational to say that all nts will abuse you? That if someone that doesn't agree with you 100% that are in fact bias against their own kind? Where is the rational thinking when someone thinks nts are privilege because they got something an "aspie" didn't? Etc etc.

Really, get a grip and think before you decide to start this argument with me. Especially since your the one standing on the moral high ground of allowing others to have an opinion. Where is the rationale in that?

Also websters definition of delusion 1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded 2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary

I think there is plenty of proof that not all white people are racist, not all nts are bias towards autistics, etc etc. given that some people refused to hear or even attempt to hear any and all evidence to the contrary they have the delusion of thinking those things. So please explain to me how that isn't the case since some members dragged out a racial debate for over 9 pages to prove that nts are bias being the conversation was about privilege if they were being sane unemotional and rational? Why they felt the need to bash anyone who didn't agree with their ideas and why you feel the need to continue with your little crusade?

Btw I didn't attack anyone. I posted once saying I thought that the idea of nt privilege was self serving bias. Then I figured I'd post again with the definition of such. It was after that (page 6) I was attacked for having an opinion that clashed with some individuals. Then I responded and tried to drop it. The other posters refused. You want to promote free expression of ideas then don't condemn me for mine. Else you look like a fool.


I never condemned you for having an opinion.

Secondly, the points you speak of were rationally argued and supported. The fact that you did not agree with the opposing side does not make the opposing side "delusional."

Not agreeing with Kicker =/= delusional.


Here's another English lesson from Webster. Condemn: 1 : to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil

I'm not going to respond anymore you're not being rational in any of your arguments or even able to comprehend the words you are using.



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17 Feb 2014, 4:47 pm

I can't stop myself from pointing this out - the title of this thread is humorously ironic. :D



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17 Feb 2014, 4:47 pm

kicker wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
kicker wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
kicker wrote:
So for the sake of arguing. I'm sorry, but I am not going to get into what is already a losing battle with you over having a different view than you do. So have a nice day, really. :D


No. I responded because this is a message board and we respond to other people's opinions with our own opinions. That's why message boards exist.

In this case, my opinion is that calling everyone who disagrees with your opinion delusional, emotional, and/or irrational is an exercise in flinging cheap personal insults and not "logic."


Where exactly pray tell did I say everyone? Also do you believe it's rational to say all white people are racist? Do you find it rational to say all nts are bias against autistics? Do you find it rational to turn a topic about privilege into a racial debate? Do you find it rational to think that because your family is racist that everyone else is too? Do you find it rational to say that all nts will abuse you? That if someone that doesn't agree with you 100% that are in fact bias against their own kind? Where is the rational thinking when someone thinks nts are privilege because they got something an "aspie" didn't? Etc etc.

Really, get a grip and think before you decide to start this argument with me. Especially since your the one standing on the moral high ground of allowing others to have an opinion. Where is the rationale in that?

Also websters definition of delusion 1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded 2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary

I think there is plenty of proof that not all white people are racist, not all nts are bias towards autistics, etc etc. given that some people refused to hear or even attempt to hear any and all evidence to the contrary they have the delusion of thinking those things. So please explain to me how that isn't the case since some members dragged out a racial debate for over 9 pages to prove that nts are bias being the conversation was about privilege if they were being sane unemotional and rational? Why they felt the need to bash anyone who didn't agree with their ideas and why you feel the need to continue with your little crusade?

Btw I didn't attack anyone. I posted once saying I thought that the idea of nt privilege was self serving bias. Then I figured I'd post again with the definition of such. It was after that (page 6) I was attacked for having an opinion that clashed with some individuals. Then I responded and tried to drop it. The other posters refused. You want to promote free expression of ideas then don't condemn me for mine. Else you look like a fool.


I never condemned you for having an opinion.

Secondly, the points you speak of were rationally argued and supported. The fact that you did not agree with the opposing side does not make the opposing side "delusional."

Not agreeing with Kicker =/= delusional.


We apparently have two different opinions of rational. Cherry picking things to support all or nothing claims hardly counts as rational. I can prove there is a spaghetti monster by cherry picking information off the web too.


....which isn't what happened.

You not liking the information and arguments presented doesn't make them irrational.

In any case, I don't have the time to tutor you in the finer points of internet debate. If you want to continue to use this thread as a soapbox from which to re-hash a debate that happened in another thread, so be it, but be advised that threads that exist soley to criticize other WP members typically don't last very long.

Out before the lock.....


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17 Feb 2014, 5:20 pm

Now that LoveNotHate has given her explanation, there seems little point in allowing the bickering to disintegrate this thread any further so I'll put an end to it.


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