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16 Jul 2014, 9:56 am

I think having cultivatable land is a great idea. I'll do the marijuana patch :wink:



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16 Jul 2014, 11:29 am

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olympiadis wrote:
Personally I would keep money out of the system as much as possible.
Money is a magnet for corruption.
Corruption is everywhere, but Colorado in particular is well on its way to becoming a new mecca for corruption.

I think working/caring for each other is great, along with bartering.


There are good reasons to have a nonprofit organization. There are nonprofit camps, and fundraisers on the subject all over the place. None that I know of are made up from an actual autistic community. It may be a very good idea. I may be mistaken, but I think I have heard of some of them being government funded.

When you say CO is becoming a new mecca for corruption, are you referring to the legalization of marijuana? Because if you are, I really don't see how a pritty green plant can cause much of a problem. :lol:


Actually, violent crime has dropped substantially since January. There is more money for our schools. There appears to be [not substantiated] a reduction from south of the border, including a reduction in cocaine being brought in. Plus,it has created many jobs and so many of the vacant stores have been re-opened.



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16 Jul 2014, 11:33 am

Ann2011 wrote:
I think having cultivatable land is a great idea. I'll do the marijuana patch :wink:


It has not passed in Pueblo yet, but they are talking about dispensing "grow" permits for $100 a year.



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16 Jul 2014, 11:34 am

vickygleitz wrote:
Actually, violent crime has dropped substantially since January. There is more money for our schools. There appears to be [not substantiated] a reduction from south of the border, including a reduction in cocaine being brought in. Plus,it has created many jobs and so many of the vacant stores have been re-opened.


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16 Jul 2014, 1:08 pm

I keep 'losing"my posts, and will try to respond later



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29 Jul 2014, 5:31 pm

yournamehere wrote:
There are good reasons to have a nonprofit organization. There are nonprofit camps, and fundraisers on the subject all over the place. None that I know of are made up from an actual autistic community. It may be a very good idea. I may be mistaken, but I think I have heard of some of them being government funded.


There really is not an offline spectrumite community to compare to Vicky's concept. The closest that am I aware of is a quasi-condo complex in California, and an arrangement in New Jersey that may or may not have happened.

Vicky, is my understanding correct that you are currently planning for individuals to purchase nearby properties in Pubelo? Presumably, we would be able to share common contractors at a discount if any real estate improvements would need to be made.

As always, I look forward to reading more about the project.


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29 Jul 2014, 6:40 pm

Pretty much you've got it, AP. That being said,most Autistics can not afford to buy their own home [even when they are for sale for 50 to 60 thousand dollar], but making living extremely afforable for everyone is a huge priority. We might have to hire a contractor, and hopefully get great breaks, BUT, for smaller jobs, ones that are more aesthetic than anything else, the intention is for many of us to actualy learn together/teach each other. For example, I am now turning total garbage, drug addicts travel trailers into total garbage, drug addicts travel trailers that now look as though they have the highest quality marble on their kitchen and bathroom counters [ beautiful, I swear, because of the location there is a "twilight zone" feel about it]] so that I can help transform, and teach others to in Pueblo. I also recently helped lay down some laminate flooring. Until recently, when I envisioned my physical part in Pueblo,I saw myself dishing out bowls of stew and handing out coffee and lemonade. Now, if my health keeps doing well, I guess I'lljust be part of the crew.

Ocate Cliffs. LJ is itching to get back up there. Initially the plan was 2 more work camps before the snow flies. It is always hard to find financial donors. It is even more difficult finding Autistic volunteers [even in the area] Autistic inertia, that is a real issue that we, as a people need to address. If more resources were used to address this issue [ and it really is handlable] than on ABA, especially as a life skill when still children, this would be no problem It should be no problem now, but so few Autistics have been taught how to deal with it.



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29 Jul 2014, 7:04 pm

I'm thinking of buying one of those tiny houses. I need some land though.



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30 Jul 2014, 2:35 pm

But,,,you only need a tiny bit of land to put a tiny house on.I live in a tiny travel trailer. Seriously though, I would love it if you were to move to Pueblo when we do. You could build a tiny house in our backyard on one side,and we could grow blackberries,cantalopes and green chilis on the other. And we could write and design jewelry and eat yummy food in our spare time.



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01 Aug 2014, 1:00 am

Hey Vicky absolutely LOVE the idea! The sooner you can get it up the better. I'd love to dedicate my life to something like this! I'm 22 and aspie, don't see much opportunity lying ahead :/. Just thinking, wouldn't it be a good idea to take ideas from other successful intentional communities for work? Like learning how to prepare firewood, farming, etc. would be a good idea. Essentially finding something that can be a competitive item created by autistic people could go a long way to making this idea feasible! Also, what about non-profit status? And maybe pulling in Auties with SSI can help with rent and such?



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05 Aug 2014, 6:57 pm

I would recommend that there be some sort of "visiting" arrangement, even if it's just a local motel that offers a discount for visitors to the community.

At least going by the results of a May 2013 survey (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt231390.html), there appears to be at least some interest in some sort of spectrum-affiliated tourism location. Based on off-forum discussions I've had in the past, there is also interest in some sort of "time-share" or "rental" arrangement inside or near the community.

This would have the advantage of allowing individuals to have a form of tangible interaction with the community, even if they aren't a permanent resident, at the same time of encouraging additional support from outside the community.

This could go the spectrum from a local motel that offers a discount, a "guest house", a unit designed as a "time-share", to even a limited service resort location.


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05 Aug 2014, 7:23 pm

AP, we'll be about an hour and a half from Ocate Cliffs! Also, our house is in Bennett, but we rent it out. While we were living there, we were approached by the Chamber of Commerce. A racing track [I think that's what it was] was being built a couple of towns east of us. They were trying to find families with extra rooms who would be willing to do a bed and breakfast type package. I'm not sure what happened because my son an his gf and her kids move in with us, so we had our names taken off the list. Maybe something like that.

As far as your expanded ideas, they are awesome. I love them, BUT I will most likely be long gone from this planet well before they could be implemented. I am just hoping to be around until I can see this whole thing really happening. But. as I said, love your ideas? How are you and the others planning on implementing them? :wink:



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05 Aug 2014, 7:46 pm

Obstinate wrote:
Hey Vicky absolutely LOVE the idea! The sooner you can get it up the better. I'd love to dedicate my life to something like this! I'm 22 and aspie, don't see much opportunity lying ahead :/. Just thinking, wouldn't it be a good idea to take ideas from other successful intentional communities for work? Like learning how to prepare firewood, farming, etc. would be a good idea. Essentially finding something that can be a competitive item created by autistic people could go a long way to making this idea feasible! Also, what about non-profit status? And maybe pulling in Auties with SSI can help with rent and such?


Young blood! For sure and for certain we need young people [ having Autistic and NT babies who thrive in loving Autistic space?] at the start of their lives [I myself am at the end] Studying and learning the positives[ and the problems] from other intentional communities is a great idea. We definitely want to make sure that those on ssi can afford to live well [not just financially survive] here.

As far as non-profit status we are hoping to start with a small group of like minded Autistics, and shortly thereafter umbrella under another non-profit. That would work great until we actually decided the specifics on non profit status and found someone in our group who could and would be willing to jump through the many hoops in establishing non-profit status.[ not me. I just bake pies]



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06 Aug 2014, 12:24 am

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In the off-grid vein, set this community up to be as self-reliant in terms of providing food as humanly possible.

I'm a fan of the rural Autistic Commune, though I am not talking about going that far. Gardens (I produce most of our summer vegetables in a 240 sq ft garden patch, and we're a family of six. Fruit trees-- it doesn't take that many. I don't know what kind of housing you are looking at, but-- a dozen to an apartment complex, one or two to a yard, plan for a good variety and for people to share. If code and zoning regulations will allow, bees and rabbits and chickens do not take up that much space, but there have to be people in the project who would be willing to slaughter and butcher and you will have to discuss issues like attachment.

It would also provide a way for members who perhaps cannot hold an outside job to contribute.

Some ideas for employment I have turned over for myself:

--I think you already came up with womens' clothing consignment. Kids' consignment is also a hot business. I have wondered if I might not bring in a decent income refinishing and reselling furniture or doing some small-scale carpentry (cabinetry, chests, maybe some simple bedframes and chairs).

--Housecleaning, errand running, and companionship services for the elderly. This is something I honestly enjoy doing. Depending on self-esteem and mental health, it can get a bit dicey when dementia gets involved (not an issue for me, personally, because I've been around Alzheimer's off and on since I was in my early teens and I'm used to it, but I realize it could be really disturbing for some).

We can work for ourselves, too, or perhaps more properly for each other. Even if cash is not exchanged, skills and services can be. An internal barter exchange would be a neat idea. Maybe.

If non-autistics are also welcome, I might start talking Colorado up to my hubby for a place to consider when we leave here. I doubt he'll go for it-- the first words out of his mouth are going to be, "Long way from the ocean, Kit"-- but if it could be done it sounds like a wonderful thing.

Not just for us, either. Like it could be a wonderful model for the world in general.


Of course your husband and kids are welcome. And kids consignment, absolutely! WE can also work with each other. Pueblo is a place that, though accepting of many kinds of people,is fairly resistant to change. We can use that to our advantage by being prepared to accomodate those changes as the seniors move in.[ speaking as a senior myself, I prefer to have a groomer come to my home to groom my dogs. We are alothe generation who "needs" our massages, and our pedicures and would also love having them in our home. Boomers love to travel and love their pets. Pets sitting will be needed.

Bees sound great and there are actually grants available for apiaries that agree to collect data for reaserchers studying the decline in the bee population.



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11 Sep 2015, 1:41 pm

This is something I've been thinking about in the UK. It's a wonderful idea, Vicky, and I think you'll eventually make it succeed because you're obviously committed to it. One of the biggest challenges will be finding people who can actually live and work and 'be' together in the long term; personality clashes are the bane of any community.

Please keep posting your thoughts and plans. And good luck. :)



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14 Sep 2015, 10:21 pm

I don't really have any practical advice to offer, but I just wanted to say that I think this is a great idea! I wouldn't mind living in an Autistic Living Community myself. :)


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