Offensive blog entry about the term Autie (Ransom Notes)

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28 Dec 2007, 3:10 pm

I read an offensive post on a blog i'm subscribed to where a father [edit: i wrote mother by mistake] takes offense at people with autism using the term autie.

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Using unloaded terms to describe people does not trivialize individuals. You're finding offense in the term "autie" which has never been used by a more powerful group to demean another exploited group (such as racist terms used by plantation owners in the south during the reconstruction period).

According to social identity theory, you are a member of an ingroup and those with autism are the members of an outgroup.

As a member of the outgroup (someone who identifies as autistic) I am very offended by your post.


If you had autism yourself, you would be a part of the outgroup and would have the right to take offense.

The fact that you're offended by a term used by an outgroup as part of their identity is incredibly demeaning. You do not own the term Autie and have no right to demean those who associate themselves with that word by claiming offense to it (even though you possibly meant no offense).

I suggest you post an apology and retraction of your comments about the term autie.


here's her original post:

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In the new post Ransom Notes world of autism discussions it seems that freedom of speech, and truth telling, must give way to the sensitivities of various persons and organizations. That being the dynamic of this new autism world order then I would like to offer my list of terms that I find offensive. I ask that the sensitive souls who petitioned NYU into submission over the Ransom Notes campaign, and others, cease and desist their use of these offensive and demeaning terms. I will start my list with two that I find particularly offensive: "autie" and "curebie".

1. Autie - is an expression used by some persons with Aspergers, and some parents and professionals who have surrendered to the ideology of the anti-cure movement, to describe persons with autism. I have a son who is diagnosed with Autism Disorder with profound developmental delays. The use of the term trivializes the very serious challenges he faces now and for the rest of his life. It is demeaning and stereotypical. Autism Disorder is a serious neurological disorder and can involve serious and dangerous intellectual, communication and behavior deficits. Please do not use the term "autie" to describe my son or other persons with Autism Disorder.

2. Curebie - is a derogatory term which is intended to be derogatory. It is a term coined by some anti-cure high functioning persons with Aspergers, and those who support their ideology, and it is primarily directed at parents trying to help their children; parents trying to treat and cure their autistic children. It is also directed at organizations promoting research aimed at curing autism. Please cease and desist the use of this hateful, offensive term.


link: http://autisminnb.blogspot.com/2007/12/ ... e-and.html


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28 Dec 2007, 3:14 pm

Hmmm... I had to read it 2 times, but what I get is she is mad that I may call myself aspie/autie? I suppose she has the right to her own opinion and beleifs, but compairing my use of the word autie/aspie to a racist term is quite outa line. It is not meant as a derogatory word and I never heard of anybody being offended by that word.


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28 Dec 2007, 3:23 pm

I can see her point (trivialisation of what can be an extremely serious and heart-breaking condition by use of what appears to be a twee, cute little word), but she just needs to understand that when you're part of a group who collectively suffer years of social exclusion (generally speaking) as youngsters, and often into adulthood too, a little word like that for a collective identity can mean a huge deal to someone.

Sticks and stones and all that...


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28 Dec 2007, 3:27 pm

From his blog (It's a guy actually):

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Evidence based treatment, education and residential care by properly trained service providers are required to help the 1 in 150 persons who have an autism spectrum disorder.



Actually, Harold, you use 1 in 150 as a statistic for people with autism. Did you know that much more than half of those people are what you deam to be "high functioning." If you want to refer to people with low functioning autism, you shouldn't hide behind misleading statistics that include those HFA and asperger's.


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28 Dec 2007, 3:27 pm

Alex, I see what you're saying, but I in fact DO find it offensive when people use cruel words to describe a group of people even when I am not in the group.

For example, I'm caucasian, but I find it revolting when people use the "N" word.



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28 Dec 2007, 3:29 pm

Besides having the context of those words incorrect, he is wrong before he ever gets to the complaint about "autie". His whole point is to accuse complainers of the Ransom Notes campaign of being disinterested in or opposed to truth and freedom of speech ("it seems that freedom of speech, and truth telling, must give way to the sensitivities of various persons and organizations").

He then uses "sensitive souls" as a condescending insult.

Moving on to his complaint (which reads more like sarcasm in the context of his post), Aspies don't hold the title, spokesperson, for all things "autism". This is often brought up by advocates and parents in the "autism community" that "truly autistic" people can't and don't speak for themselves. By their logic, only very high-functioning autistic or Asperger's people are able to speak or type and therefore are the only ones that speak out against cures, certain treatments and certain autism organizations. It follows that these people aren't "autistic enough" or in any capacity to understand the "profoundly disabling" aspects of autism.

That is the logic of autism parents that complain about neurodiversity.

So, he doesn't like the term "autie" because it's a label that identifies a person as autistic. He doesn't like "curebie" because it makes fun of people who are obsessed with curing or eradicating autism through medical means.



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28 Dec 2007, 3:31 pm

SapphoWoman wrote:
Alex, I see what you're saying, but I in fact DO find it offensive when people use cruel words to describe a group of people even when I am not in the group.

For example, I'm caucasian, but I find it revolting when people use the "N" word.


Yes but the n word has a long history of being used by those in power to exploit, abuse, and dehumanize a group of people in the past. If people with autism had been enslaved and the term "autie" was coined by slaveowners who used the term to demean their slaves, i would certainly find it offensive.


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28 Dec 2007, 3:34 pm

alex wrote:
Yes but the n word has a long history of being used by those in power to exploit, abuse, and dehumanize a group of people in the past. If people with autism had been enslaved and the term "autie" was coined by slaveowners who used the term to demean their slaves, i would certainly find it offensive.



Gotchya.



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28 Dec 2007, 3:35 pm

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Moving on to his complaint (which reads more like sarcasm in the context of his post), Aspies don't hold the title, spokesperson, for all things "autism". This is often brought up by advocates and parents in the "autism community" that "truly autistic" people can't and don't speak for themselves. By their logic, only very high-functioning autistic or Asperger's people are able to speak or type and therefore are the only ones that speak out against cures, certain treatments and certain autism organizations. It follows that these people aren't "autistic enough" or in any capacity to understand the "profoundly disabling" aspects of autism.

Yet the same "advocates" use the number 1 in 150 for fundraising purposes even though studies have found 1 in 300 people to have asperger's. If these cure advocates don't think we are truly autistic they shouldn't be allowed to fraudulently imply that they represent all 1 in 150 people. In fact if they only represent low functioning individuals, they don't even come close to representing half of these 1 in 150.


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28 Dec 2007, 3:39 pm

Alex,

Harold (the blog owner) is a good guy. He hates autism like John Best does, but he's open-minded, which I like.

When I resume blogging in January, I will make a post regarding this on my blog, and ask him to read it.


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28 Dec 2007, 3:42 pm

Alex, yes, they love to manipulate the numbers and skew information all the way around.



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28 Dec 2007, 3:43 pm

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Alex,

Harold (the blog owner) is a good guy. He hates autism like John Best does, but he's open-minded, which I like.

When I resume blogging in January, I will make a post regarding this on my blog, and ask him to read it.


He seems like a good guy ( i did like most of the stuff he was blogging until I read that post) but good people sometimes say offensive things which is why good people should retract unfortunate comments they make.

Being a good guy doesn't make it ok to spread misinformation that damages the lives of others even if you believe you're doing what is right.


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28 Dec 2007, 3:55 pm

The figures I extracted from the UK National Autistic Society were LFA 5 per 10,000 and HFA/AS 63 per 10,000. Any thoughts?


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28 Dec 2007, 4:05 pm

Offensive blahhhhg topic

I think the Harold-like NTs of this world are just scared of Radical Auties. They like to invent the language and control it because it gives them power or at least helps them to feel power.
(So little power, so little time!)

I have a hunch that for some NTs-who have children living on the Autistic Spectrum-that dealing /living with this challenge is so overwhelming that they are taking out their anger and frustration at everything around them--like when I have a meltdown.

I wish they would go with the Desiderata thing and learn to help enhance their Autie children's abilities instead of going on power trips and trying to navigate the curebie route.

I may have insulted Harold here, but his rants are bordering on Emotism.



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28 Dec 2007, 4:05 pm

Yeah.. I don't get what's so offensive with a short version of the word Autistic. If they got a problem with other people useing it to describe themselves with a label, then the heck with them.

That's what the words 'autie', 'aspie" , and so on are; short words for "autism". :roll: I just love the part where they put "and can involve serious and dangerous intellectual, communication and behavior deficits" Dangerous!? Yes, I am, but I think alot of Autistic people certainly are not "dangerous".

I have seen the word "curebie" used in offensive ways before. example. While I don't go for changing a person for who they are, I don't need 'curebie' flammed my way for supporting edgucational intervention. I do call myself an Aspie to because I have Aspergers. *sarcasum* Gee, how dare I say that about myself. :?



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28 Dec 2007, 4:13 pm

Zarathustra wrote:
The figures I extracted from the UK National Autistic Society were LFA 5 per 10,000 and HFA/AS 63 per 10,000. Any thoughts?


Can you make them any smaller? I find big numbers hard to understand... actually, I find any numbers hard to understand. Multiple languages I can do; maths I cannot. ;)


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