How come God made people with AS?

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KenM, I want to express my sadness at learning about your dad's death and your mum's situation.

I prayed to God to stop my own dad dying, but like you, I found it didn't work. My mum ended up in a mental hospital, strangely enough with a drug addiction. Same principle as your family, by the looks of it.

I was SO angry with God, so despairing. I had prayed my hardest and nothing happened, I thought.

But it did. Something did happen. It just wasn't what I had expected. I began to understand that God didn't ever say life would be easy and we'd get what we wanted, no matter what it was, by praying. Otherwise people would pray for everyone to live and the planet would be groaning under the weight of about double the number of people we have now and there would be no end to it at all. I guess we'd have to pray for a bigger planet? God answers the prayer, but sometimes we don't understand the answer until later.

My dad isn't dead. He's still alive, but no longer visible on the earth. Without God, he most certainly would be dead. But he isn't. Same with your dad - he's still alive, in "heaven".

As for mum, she spent a good few years as a drug addict doing all the usual things - the suicide attempts, the pill overdoses, the lies, the stealing, etc. then one day she decided for herself that she wanted help, and she did something for herself to get that help, and then God helped her and she recovered from it to live her last years happily. I guess she had to want it first, and that was the deal God had with her, and there was nothing I could do to override that deal.

To us, trying to come to terms with the loss of a loved one, it feels like God doesn't care. To us, trying to come to terms with the bizarre behaviour of someone with a drug problem, it feels like we'll never be able to cope.

My own view is that God promises to make all things good in the end. No matter what life throws at us (and just look at what happened to Jesus before he died, if your faith permits you to read the Bible - he didn't have an easy time either), God will ensure he walks with us through the pain on this earth, and will ensure we're given peace and healing when we leave this life. WE're here for say 70 or 80 years and yes, things do go wrong here. But we're safe with him for the rest of all eternity. That's not a bad bargain compared with being dead for all eternity.

I don't know if I've made it worse or better, but it's what happened to me, and how I feel about this.

i think the craziest thing i've ever heard god doing was sending hurricane katrina to hit the south because it was so filled with wickedness, someone actually said that. well if thats the case why then doesn't he throw fire&brimstone on las vegas? i mean surley las vegas is alot more wicked.
more prof that god is all in someones head and not real

Many people did think the earth was flat. But a mistaken bit of information isn't in any way the same as the relationship with God. It's a living, existing relationship in which we literally do feel a presence that we cannot see but this appears to those of faith to be a living, thinking presence with a different mindset to us. Many have argued that this is just our own conscience, but I'm aware of having a conscience about things, of having instincts that aren't quite framed in logical thought, and this is still entirely different. This is a presence which has opinions about things which are very different from my own and opinions I simply don't understand at all a lot of the time.

Also, someone back through the threads asked what happens to those who can't understand faith, - do they get to miss out on heaven? No, they don't. That's my faith's view on it certainly (Christianity). They actually probably would get a place in heaven before the rest of us. To miss out on heaven takes quite a bit of effort, I think, and a lot of understanding. It would mean that someone has to a) read all the stuff (or listen to it) b) understand it properly c) choose to carry on hurting people and hating God anyway. If you can't read, or can't understand it properly (e.g. ten commandments), or can't make that choice to behave because of some factor, then you can't be choosing to do evil.

Heck, wonder if any of that made sense?

I believe that god hasn't yet shown us our purpose, but he will.

Probely God makes mistakes with people and animals.

There are no mistakes. That's just some religious back-handed way, of using God to judge others.

If people accept there is a God, then they must also logically accept that this God has infinite power, wisdom and knowledge. Making "mistakes" is therefore impossible, which means that there must be a reason for things that happen.

What that reason is, we don't always know.

Does it mean that God plans evil things and disasters and catastrophes and illness and disease? No, it doesn't. But it does mean that he created a universe able to cause both good and bad things to happen.

To paraphrase from our own religious text, the Bible, it gives the story of Adam and Eve. Some take that story very literally, which is fine, but others see it as a parable. Adam and Eve lived in paradise where there was perfection, in harmony with God. But one day they thought they knew better than he did, and challenged his authority. In basic terms, he told them that if they really thought they knew better, they could try life in a real world and see how they liked it.

Here we are, on a real world. Where real things happen. Some good, some bad, some awful, some unexpected, some all too predictable. Many humans choose to not care about other humans, animals and the planet. They could choose to share enough to feed everyone and they could choose to be nicer to each other (or at least leave each other alone) but no...many just have to be greedy and nasty to each other. Did God do this? No, people did. They create their own evil.

On the subject of disease and accident and disaster, God tells us that nothing we endure will be forgotten, and all that we endure will be rewarded in heaven. The person who has the easy life will "have had their reward", so people who love riches and fame will have a hard time convincing him that they put other people first, but those who have suffered the most and chosen to be the most "humble" (non-publicity-seeking) will be the most rewarded.

Putting it another way, pehaps think of this planet as a software program. To us, caught in it, it seems very real. If you wrote a computer program where the characters found themselves ill or caught in a hurricane, I'm sure they'd be cross (if they could think) But the programmer can rewrite it later to remove everything bad that happens, and put his favourite characters into another program where life is perfect, forever. I think it's maybe similar in principle. God has such infinite power that he can cancel out anything bad that happens to us in the 70 or so years we're alive on this planet, and make it as if it never really happened. If you have enough power and enough dimensions to use to do this, why not?

Perhaps the question for each person on the planet is, "what do you choose to do about the problems?", and what God's looking for is for us to try to figure out how to cope with those problems, how to lean on him for support, how to help each other and how to just relax about things and not worry about them. That's the basis of all the major faiths, and many general philosophies, and I think it's probably right.

Oh no, another essay - but this is how I reason my way through faith, anyway.

Ok TigerFire, you're right. I removed the body of my post. I apologize to you for my part in any disrespect you have perceived.

My relationship with God is quite different from yours and no harm was meant. Please, excuse my previous remarks.

How much longer are you going to make fun of God and Christianty? How much longer are you going to make up lies and make fun of people who believe in this. As you know I'm a Christain and I don't think I find this funny. I've asked for this thread to be killed by you all but no you all decided to continue this mockery of my religion. Well at least I'm getting blessed by this whole thing by standing up for I believe in.

ok if that's what you mean.

I think because if everyone was the same, our world be borrrring. So he made everyone different and gave some of them disabilities to make life more interesting. Then one day he decided to create aspergers. I can remember Mom telling me when I was 12. 'It was a gift to you god gave us." referring to if I didn't have AS, she wouldn't have learned to be patient. Maybe god gave us AS is because he knew we would find a way to cope in the real world and it will give us gifts lot of people don't normally have. Maybe the god gave it to me was because he knew I'd survive and make it out there and he knew my parents will be great people and help me as I grow up and that's what they did but sadly not everyone with autism is given to people who don't even want to do their job in parenting so the child suffers into adulthood. If I were never diagnosed, I probably wouldn't make it this far. I'd probably wouldn't have very good social skills compare to what I have now because I wouldn't know what was wrong with me and I probably wouldn't have a job. If I didn't know I have AS, then I woudln't know what to look up and see what I need to work on to be a better person and find ways to cope with it. I probably would have found out anyway that i have AS if I was never diagnosed because I was obsessed with disabilities. I wanted to know what disabilities were out there so I always went to this site, healthlinkusa.com and it had a list of diseases, conditions, cancers, etc. and I probably would have selected Aspergers and saw it sounded like me and sometimes not.

I didn't care for the deaths of 9/11 either but I did feel sorry for them that they had to be trapped in the building and I also felt sorry for ther ones who went down with the planes. But it still effected me because it was very scary and I thought WWIII had begun because that's what the girls in my chior class were saying. Plus it caused lot of change in my school, one of them was I got to be on the computer because I was in the resource room all day because there was hardly classes going on, all the teacghers did was had us students watch the news on TV about the incident. It got redundent for me real fast because it was repeating over and over like 8 tracks do. It took me three weeks to get over the disaster. I also didn't like it when the towers went down because it was a huge change four our country and I hate changes. That's why i don't like Las Vegas because they are always blowing down buildings and building new ones. There's no history, it only exists in books or online. But I did have nightmares about 9/11. I would ream about planes crashing into other famous buildings and into buildings in portland like The Rose Garden.

I felt sorry for people who lost their spouses, girlfriends, boyfriends, their children, friends, relatives, parents, etc. I was just glad no one I knew was a victim in 9/11. I don't like terrorism because people die, and peopel lose their home or their businesses. I don't like war either because people also die. My grandfather almost died in the war. If that bullet had hit him in the head, I wouldn't be here because my dad would have never existed.

I hope I didn't sound coldhearted in this post. I remember three years back I told my experiance about this and someone got mad at me about my post and called me coldhearted. It hurt emotionally and I didn't understand why it was colhearted until another aspie told me it was because I didn't really understand the incident well. C.mon I was only 16. I was telling from my own 16 year old view. My view on that day will never change because you can't turn back time and make yourself feel different. I'm sure the other girls in my chior class didn't understand either because they were all acting excited because they thought it was great WWIII had begun our teacher kept telling them it is not WWIII. They didn't seem to care about the incident and that we were attacked. They were kids too.