Is HFA misdiagnosed as Asperger's?

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Are you sure you're not reading from an psychiatric resident's Intake sheet ? You know what they taught us in law school was: never read verbatim from our notes ! It crimps the flow and ruins our style.

My Thoroughbred (autism service horse) also has numerous brain-quirks, weirdnesses, and oddities, as well, some merging, and reemerging from time-to-time and some on a daily basis, mostly due to being inbred for speed five generations on the Bold Ruler line and four generations on the Nashrullah line, but he is still ...

a Thoroughbred. And we get along perfectly. No ToM problems to speak of.

I think perhaps the best thing he has taught me is just to ... stop perseverating, and ...

to enjoy the ride ! There really isn't either the time or inclination to approach such matters any other way.

I think these survival of the fittest types of people are funny in a way because they use an obvious platform made by a bunch of people they would claim have zero personality to belittle, harrass and claim their hatred towards those that they think are worth burying.

Let's say someone like Zoonic's hero came into power. Who would be deemed not worthy of life because of flaws?

-homosexuals

-physically imperfect (by leader's standards)

-mentally different

-bad habits

-those that didn't conform

-those that asked questions

-those that were very smart but not socially correct

-whoever the leader declared as an inferior race

-those who didn't like teh same religion as the leader


Zoonic, we've been there and done that. I can't say we are fully out of that because there are always going to be people that sneer and think of others as inferior to them who gain some form of power. Instead of truly learning from the past instead they will change the way it's done and attach a new label to it.

Bullies will go to the easy targets first but after a group of people stand up against the bullies and their chosen fad of targets, the bully will move onto the next and declare that target of a specific type of group should be hated for whatever reason they come up with.

Serial bullies.

I have a long family history of people who were rocket scientists, inventors, actors, painters, politicians and poets. Some of those people probably had a high functioning form of autism. I'm tired of you talking down to people with autism on one hand and then the next claiming you have it but then you don't.

You say we're empty shells yet you focus so much on your exterior appearance which is usually an indicator of compensation for the lack of inner substance. I also wonder how much of this is projection.

Superficial perfection does not mean you are perfect nor does it mean that it gives you more justification to belittle others. Are you really the empty shell?

I'm a very spiritual person but I'm sick of the aspie assimilation/conformity because most aspies are just so far below my level of awareness. I'm the most happy around intuitively empathetic people I can communicate with through looks and gestures.

Personally I think a lot of people, maybe most, have a small amount of cluster B type thoughts, just not to such an extreme degree that it's dysfunctional. I'm very shy/introverted in general so I tend to keep most of my "bad" thoughts to myself. They only surface every once in a while, usually brought on by high levels of anxiety/stress and/or boredom/emptiness/depression. I also feel worse the longer I isolate myself.

I think my biggest problem socially is that typical NT small-talk bores me to tears. I'm not able to make myself care about things going on in other people's lives. I have to pretend to care and that tires me out. I had "goof off" friends in college who accepted me. We shared a cynical sense of humor, played pranks on each other, and participated in various activities together. Now I moved to a different state and lost touch with all of them (I'm not very motivated to call people or connecting long distance). Where I live now there isn't that kind of bonding with people my age. I tried going to parties here but everyone just stands around making small-talk the entire time. I got so bored after a while I just sat silently in the corner watching people. I haven't ever found other aspies very stimulating either. Online I can find topics here that interest me, in reality the situation is entirely different. If I don't happen to share a similar special interest a lot of aspies will bore me worse than any NT possibly could.

I also get the feeling that nobody is good enough for me. That there's nobody in the world that I could talk to who would be mentally stimulating enough to lift my out my depressed stupor. People all seem to blur together as a featureless mass in my mind. I don't see much distinction. I just see masses going about their dull monotonous 9-5 work.

One thing that helps me get more centered is taking long hikes by myself. I love the feeling of being high up in the mountains. Looking out over the land from thousands of feet above is almost intoxicating. Last weekend I went hiking and watched a massive avalanche thunder down the face of a mountain about a kilometer away. That made me happy. I liked imagining myself standing under that massive rock face and being crushed under thousands of tons of snow coming down on top of me.

Is it possible you simply have Hypochondriasis?

I can relate to this pretty well. But my aggression, narcissism and hatred for humans have always been there too, sometimes less active but it always reemerges.



No, I definitely always had extreme behaviour and narcissism. Read my thread about violent anger in the adult section.

How exactly are you being forced to assimilate to aspies?

Aspie "community" in general does not acknowledge the existence of aspies who are closer related to NT's than to autists. This makes me unable to even talk about my aspie traits in a constructive way.

But you like being here and talking to us so why not blend in?

Are everyone here exactly the same? Sure there's the stereotype aspie collective which only rants on and on in "is this aspie behaviour" thread number 9875678, who believe even someone with only light AS tendencies who's very high on the spectrum will always be more aspie than NT. These people, the vast masses of brain washed aspies without any theory of mind, are indeed worthless in any form of constructive discussion since they are only here to assimilate and promote clinical stereotypes.

However, there's also a minority of aspies who are at the very top of the spectrum, who can give me some sort of constructive input.

I mostly talk about stuff that's happened to me due to Asperger's.

A. You aren't forced to be here. Just like I am not either. I have a problem with this place right now because the priorities aren't exactly straight. At least not as nice of a community as several years ago. Now it's a little backwards and people like you show up and your threads aren't deleted or moved or even locked and others who aren't nowhere near as insultive as you not even close get their threads locked, moved or even banned.

B. You could also argue that people who are closer to classic autism feel like the minority here because most topics pertain to aspergers and there are alot of people who say they have mild aspergers which means closer to NT.

You don't have aspergers, you have proven that. I think you just like that label when it serves you. If everything you are saying is true, you are what you say you are and having two traits of autism does not make you autistic.

You are not forced to be here but you are trying to on one hand pull out some words to make it seem like you should be pitied like "forced" "raped" give me a break. You don't even know what real rape is like so for you to come in here and insult people with autism and then claim your false diagnosis was like being raped for being in a classroom of people you don't like that you feel are inferior to you and then you say aspergers whenever it suits you which in this case obviously you're trying to skew what this community is supposed to be about into your own twisted logic which contradicts itself constantly.

If I were a mod here, you would be out. Why? I've dealt with psychopaths in my lifetime. They don't change. Their stories may change, their approach may change but they never really learn that doing harm to others is a mistake. Instead they get upset if they were caught.

Some people that don't know this will think "Oh, he just needs positive examples." Not true.

I don't like every aspect of autism for me. If I did have to choose however to be what I am or to be you, I'd much rather be me. Why? I've come a long way, I can learn, I know if I'm hurting someone and I don't like it so I learn and grow from that. I understand that if you are out to harm people where my priorities are and it's not defending those that purposely enjoy harming others.

If you are a good person but make mistakes, learn from it. If you keep repeating those mistakes and bringing others down with you, I have little patience for that because it shows the person doesn't really mean it when they say that they are sorry.

You say you are nicer on this board than other boards? Oh so I guess that means we should all be grateful. I don't think so.

I still don't understand why wrongplanet as it stands right now is considered "The online resource and community for Autism and Asperger's" considering there are repeated actions taken against those who defend themselves against people like you here.

This board was just fine years ago. What is going on with this place now?

Why are you allowed to insult people but the moment someone with autism says anything that could be twisted and taken as an insult gets warned by a mod.

Is this place even for people with autism anymore? If not, why not fill everyone in on this change?

I don't have to be here true but I do like this place and I will leave if it becomes very clear that this place will continue to become even less of a community for people with autism and asperger's or cater more towards bullies like you.

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And I talk about things regarding the grey zone between aspie and neurotypical, because that's where I am. I'm 90% neurotypical, 10% aspie or so. Many aspies with more rigid and handicapped thinking can't comprehend the possibility of a moving spectrum, they want everything to be carved in concrete and just can't put two and two together when faced with the issue of grey zones.

Unfortunately, the lesser functioning aspies seem to be the ones who make themselves heard the most. They want to be headpatted lambs and rant on and on about how cute and victimized they are because NT's don't understand them. Entire communities like WP take a direction which is very much in favor of the more handicapped, stereotype-huggers. Criticizing these people is close to criminal, because there's some sort of idea that "the most handicapped is always right".

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B.S "headpatted lambs" Are you projecting again? For someone who hates those you think are headpatted lambs you sure don't mind being one if you get to milk the system for your "disability" paycheck. Give it up.

Yep it's true I would have liked to be a little pet or lamb because who wouldn't? They get treated really fabulously. So I say, yeah, that'd be great.
I am just going what the DSM-IV says about AS. I think Hans Asperger saw it as a bit of an impairment too.
It seems you enjoy it here to some extent, Zoonic, because you post a lot. We must be entertaining, at the least.
Just think of it this way. When I disagree with you I am respecting your wishes to not be treated like a petted lamb. You're just as cute to me as one anyway, Zoonic.

I'm just a name in a registry to the ones who pay me. I can live with that.

It's obvious people like you just want to sit in a fluffy, pink room full of teddybears, along with other aspies and idolize Bill Gates and Einstein all day long. You like being headpatted because it helps fill the void you have, because your more severe autism reduces the room for a real identity and self image. That's why you just want stereotypical discussion about autism, repetitive threads about everyday things like "is drinking three cups of tea an aspie trait?" etc.

You live in a fuzzy little world of s**t and are too far from the top of the spectrum to understand what I'm talking about. Your entire identity is AS.

I can also tell you why I seem to contradict myself. To a degree I try to adjust, for your sake, because you are an opressive majority here and if I didn't even try to adapt I would have been banned already. As I said I hold back with the insults compared to what I do on other, NT-dominated, forums. Sometimes I try to empathize aspects you can accept, that's why it gets a bit contradictory. Some things I say are just to please you, so I can stay on here a bit longer.

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