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24 Jun 2009, 12:12 pm

ehicks727 wrote:

HAHA!! Well, you all have pretty much blown my theory!

My theory was that aspies are primarily auditory... or auditory is the dominant referencing system in the majority of people with aspergers.

Based on your responses, it seems there is a healthy mix of visual and auditory. Again, this was in no way scientific, but just a survey to prove or disprove a pattern that (I thought) I observed.

I'm actually extreme... I am so far auditory, I don't visualize much at all. When I answered the door question, I could not visualize my front door at all even. Everything in my head is fuzzy, and I process almost everything through 'hearing' it in my head.

There are a number of studies documenting a correlation between Asperger's and enhanced visual-spatial skills. This is a large part of the reason for the stereotype of Aspies as math savants, and why many Aspies find work in fields such as engineering.

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24 Jun 2009, 12:12 pm

Eller wrote:

1) Neither. I hear the noise and then remember the hand movement that goes with it. Technically, I can take a dictation without understanding what I'm writing. On some instances (at school) I did. I passed tests with flying colors without understanding a single word. (Yeah, serious problem with processing spoken language.)

Your dominant referencing system might be kinesthetic then... maybe to an extreme, kind of like I'm extreme auditory. It has it's issues, but it has it's blessings too.

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2a) I saw immediately the way the door opened, however I had to think a while about which side is the left and which side is the right. I always had difficulties with that.

Me too... left and right has always given me problems.

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24 Jun 2009, 12:18 pm

Orwell wrote:

True true, the more I go on the more I realize I'm almost 100 % visual, language is something forced and tiring, and I've always been like this, my first interest (4-5 yo) was reading books (actually data like height and lenght) about animals and tryng to visualize them as precisely as possible.
The enhanced visual skills also help explain why, in general, we can easily beat the hell out of most NT gamers :lol:

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24 Jun 2009, 12:18 pm

1) see

2) Think about this question... if you are inside your house looking at your front door, which direction does the door open (swing)? Left or right?
2a) longer than 5 seconds
2b) It was a clear image.

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24 Jun 2009, 12:21 pm

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That's interesting. I'm really poor at math, but GREAT at problem solving. I'm a programmer, and previously a computer network engineer. I always excel at knowing solutions to problems instantly. It's instinctual. People at work used to struggle for hours working on a computer or network problem, and finally they'd come to me, describe the problem, and I'd say "well did you try this?" and sure enough, that was the solution.

I always used to think that I "visualized" the solution, but after studying the difference between visual and auditory reference systems, I realized that I don't visualize anything! Everything is like a cloud in my head, and solutions present themselves to me auditorially.... yeah, kind of bizarre.

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24 Jun 2009, 12:57 pm

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1) I see it. Then, I unconsciously write it with my finger. Apparently, I've been doing that for years and no one ever told me. I write what I see with my index finger, usually on my leg or thumb. It looks like I'm stimming, but I'm actually writing the word I hear/see in my head.

HA! My wife does that! I call it her "magic finger"

My wife doesn't have aspergers, but she does have a partially photographic memory, and I think her finger is her kinesthetic connection to her memory.

LOL! I love that..."magic finger". I may just have to borrow that from you!

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24 Jun 2009, 1:35 pm

1) see
2a) Rather than visualize the front door of my current home, I visualized the front door of the home where I grew up. I visualized it opening, and the direction that I visualized it swinging was *in*.

I visualized the door immediately, but it took a few seconds before I knew what kinds of responses you wanted. The door swings to the right.

2b) very clearly. I can see the door hinges, the closet a few inches to the right of the door, the dual light switch a few inches to the left of the door, the window a few inches to the left of that, the window's curtains and the pattern on them, the white couch below it, the color of the carpet, the lock, the handle, the doorknob, the trim at the bottom of the wall, and the peephole.

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24 Jun 2009, 1:40 pm

i hear, and see
immediate
clear

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24 Jun 2009, 1:47 pm

1. Visualize, but focus on each individual letter as the word is spelled out.
2.a) Immediate.
2.b) The whole thing was very clear in my mind.

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24 Jun 2009, 1:59 pm

I'm self diagnosed, take it or leave it

1) I visualize them usually one letter at a time, so i visually type it out in my head as i say it. I stare off into space while i do that.

2) Left

2a) Left and right gives me a lot of trouble, like someone else, i saw it immediately but i always have to think about left and right, this time i got it quite fast but it can take me a significant amount of time even WITH the left hand making the L thing, i often stand there with my hands out in front of me trying to figure out which is the L.

2b) I was actually visualizing a totally other door... which is weird. But it was in place of my actual door. I think it was the word "swing" that caused that, my door doesn't do what i'd call "swing"

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24 Jun 2009, 2:05 pm

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1) When you are asked to spell words (as in, imagine you're in a spelling bee), do you SEE (or visualize) the word in your mind's eye and then spell it out? Or do you HEAR (internally in your mind) the word and then spell it out?

Visualize, definitely. Perhaps a touch of both. Back before I got used to using a computer keyboard constantly, my fingers would grip an imaginary pencil and 'write' it out in the air, if it was giving me any difficulty. Always have to stop and puzzle out that I before E rule...

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2) Think about this question... if you are inside your house looking at your front door, which direction does the door open (swing)? Left or right?
2a) Were you immediately able to answer that question, or did you have to think about it a while? Immediately means, under 5 seconds or so.

Close one. I do have to visualize things like that before answering. Couldn't say if it was more or less than 5 seconds. About that. Less familiar things take longer.

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2b) Did you have a clear image in your mind of your front door while answering that question, or was the image "fuzzy"? Yes, that's a subjective question.. so think of it this way.. was the image in your mind clear, like watching a TV? That would be clear. Less than that would be fuzzy. If you had NO image in your mind, let me know that also, and describe how you answered #2 then.

Definitely fuzzy. The question didn't seem to require a crystal-clear image. Just a quick reference representation. If you had asked what the doorknob looked like or precisely where the keyhole was located, that would have required a clearer focus.

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24 Jun 2009, 2:07 pm

1- I see the word.
2a - it was immediate
2b - it was pretty clear in my mind.

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24 Jun 2009, 2:12 pm

I don't have Asperger's (but I read your post anyway, I was curious & answered the questions in my head).

Let's say based on the way I think (I'm primarily auditory) I have had to develop a way to "feed" my visual system. I learned (over an unknown period of time) how to use my sense of touch/kinesthetic sense as a "median" between my hearing and sight. Wondering if anyone else does this, or is it just me?

p.s I got so good at this I was able to use it to pass an anatomy class with a 93 average for the year! (If bragging or this stuff is irrelevant sorry) :oops:

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24 Jun 2009, 2:12 pm

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Neither. It's kind of weird, the way that I think (I think). I sometimes see things, but often times, it's as if I'm blind to my mind's eye. I know it's there. I can feel it there, but I can't actually see it. It may be related to another problem that I'm hoping to get fixed within the next 6 months or so. We'll see. (Edit: What I mean by feeling is there is the way Daredevil feels things are there. I can feel the impression of the existance of the thought extremely clearly, I just can't actually see it)

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2a) Were you immediately able to answer that question, or did you have to think about it a while? Immediately means, under 5 seconds or so.

Right away. Unless we're talking about where I actually live, in which case I didn't think about that place for another second or two.

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The image was clear, but I could only barely see it.

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24 Jun 2009, 2:46 pm

I'm an aspie and also think ADD, which is illustrated in my reaction to your questions .

1) I sound them out . I am a horrid speller though and often get my vowels mixed up .

2) I first visualized myself coming into my apartment and then reread the question and visioned myself leaving my apartment . Both were very quick and clear as to which way the door opens but I think it's telling that I originally read the question wrong .

3) very clear image of the door opening as well as the cat trying to run out, which always happens .

Even though I am visual, I also think I am a very tactile learner (muscle memory) and can recall/feel how my arm moves as I open the door .

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24 Jun 2009, 2:56 pm

ehicks727 wrote:

I've been doing research into Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) lately, and to quickly summarize, every person generally has one dominant referencing system... either visual, auditory, or kinesthetic.

I'm an aspie, and I noticed something interesting (a pattern) in myself, and I've asked others and gotten the same result. I'm now trying to ask a broader sample to see if this is a viable theory or not.

This is not scientific or anything, but please don't scroll down to read the replies, until you've replied yourself. I'd like to not influence your reply with "group-think".

So, here's the questions... it would be great if you could reply to this. It'll help me out with my theory. This is specific to Asperger's Syndrome... not the entire autism spectrum, so please only reply if you have Aspergers. Thank you.

1) When you are asked to spell words (as in, imagine you're in a spelling bee), do you SEE (or visualize) the word in your mind's eye and then spell it out? Or do you HEAR (internally in your mind) the word and then spell it out?

2) Think about this question... if you are inside your house looking at your front door, which direction does the door open (swing)? Left or right?
2a) Were you immediately able to answer that question, or did you have to think about it a while? Immediately means, under 5 seconds or so.
2b) Did you have a clear image in your mind of your front door while answering that question, or was the image "fuzzy"? Yes, that's a subjective question.. so think of it this way.. was the image in your mind clear, like watching a TV? That would be clear. Less than that would be fuzzy. If you had NO image in your mind, let me know that also, and describe how you answered #2 then.

That's all! Please reply in the following manner....

1) answer
2a) answer
2b) answer

I appreciate you taking the time to do this little exercise. If we get quite a few responses, I'll be happy to share my theory, but I don't want to influence the answers, so I'll hold off a little until we get some replies.

thanks!!
Eric

1. No idea, I guess I would say it quietly to myself.

2a. Yes. Once I had made the handmovement and identified which hand it was. ^^
2b. Brief but clear. (I think so atleast, since I wasn't paying attention.

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