Reading and Writing body language

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Who was it who said that NTs will adapt themselves to whatever system they find themselves in, so that as long as you start out with a majority of Aspies and add NTs slowly, the culture will be very Aspieish even if they are a minority? Perhaps that's already happened...

But that still fits criteria A, because if they don't write body language they are still failing to communicate their feelings via body language and other such shitaroons.

Maybe the NT also would assume that what happened in his mind also would have to happen in the others' (aspies') minds - and thus he would lack Theory of Mind.

Or he wouldn't be able to put himself in the others' (aspies') shoes or understand them - and thus lack empathy.

As a consequence, he (or she) would lack social and emotional reciprocity. However, criteria B wold stop them from being technically a full Aspie. That's not to say we couldn't force it...

They'd certainly fit the other criteira. Maybe we need an Aspie village for that purpose, so we can invite individuals from hate groups and watch their reactions at being instantly transmogrified into Aspies. Technically.

Could we say that NTs are aspies to aspies? Kind of?

Yes.

And Aspies are Aspies to Aspies. So to Aspies, everyone is Aspie NTs are only called that because they are in the majority, after all. They just happen to be a variety of Aspie that happens to be clustered around on single point on the 3D graphwhereas most of us here are scattered around other parts of the graph.

Interesting...

I feel I'd be a minority in either group. I get along best with people on the border between Aspie and NT.

Everyone communicates. Even when one displays no body language, his lack of body language communicates something. It might be interesting to be dumped into a room full of aspies to see what I would perceive. It might take me awhile to feel enough at ease with you to strike up conversations, but most of you are visual thinkers. It would be interesting.

Yes: that he displays no body language.

The NT would be displaying body language, which isn't understood by the Aspies; and the Aspies wouldn't be displaying any, which means the NT would be unable to understand, either.

Very interesting...

No. Your wrong. It doesn't feel that way to me. It feels the same way I feel when I am in a large group of people that I don't know; kind of like I want to communicate, but my ability to connect is impaired, or responds too slowly. The person feels to me like he is experiencing that. I don't feel nothing, when a person displays no body language. It is possible that what I am experiencing is projection, but I don't just look at him and observe that he is displaying no body language.

. . . and body language is not the only form of communication available you know. And there really are people in this world who have the ability to put themselves into others shoes and figure out how you feel. You aren't really totally cut off from the outside world. I know it must feel that way. I understand that in situations where you don't fit in, it's you that gets griped at. Me too.

In the case of the Aspie, it probably is a protection. Therefore, you can't get any information.


Obviously. I'm not using body language to communicate with you at the moment.


I know, I'm one of them. Just because I can only do it when someone actually says how they are feeling, doesn't diminish the capability.

I said projection not protection. Projection is feeling what one would probably feel if he were in the other persons place. It has nothing to do with not being able to obtain information from the Aspie non verbally.

Bah, I made a slip of the finger.

The point is, if an Aspie isn't displaying any body language, you can't get any information about their mental state non-verbally. If their body language is exactly the same whether they are happy, sad, angry, confused... how do you tell the difference?

Oh, sorry.

I suppose I would have to test that to be certain. For instance, I get a definite feel of the gender of the person posting from most of the folks here when I read their post. I have absolutely no clue how my intuition knows that you are masculine, but I feel it every time I read your posts. I was experiencing cognitive dissonance when I first got here because many female members have avatars that picture men. Now I obviously do not see your body language, or even your face when I read your words, but I somehow get this from you.

I have discovered that people evidently subconsciously transmit their feelings to the person they are thinking about. I recently discovered, by accident, that I transmit the mental image that I am visualizing, to the person that I am communicating with. I have no other explanation for my and other person's experiences. Even changlinggirl (I think that is spelled right) said, on another thread, that she sometimes experiences images in her mind's eye that she knows she has never seen before. Of course it would also seem logical that if the Aspie is experiencing no emotions then he would not transmit any, I don't know. You might be right about extroverted NTs or maybe some extroverted NTs, perhaps, but some how my intuition usually gives me some hint or inner knowing or something. I am not limited to the person's body language.

Magneto, I'll go on the record to say, quite often many people mis-translate my body langauge wherein; it results in a negative response..Personally, I'm not often aware of my own non-verbal mannerisms therefore, I suppose this can be interpreted in a manner causing a whole host of wrongful perceptions and so forth.. Magnet, speaking of your username if we were both the realistic versions of our usernames most likely we'd be at war with one another still, I found your post to be quite insighful..

I thought Xavier and Magneto were friends

willmark seems to be suggesting that people are Psycic

Therein lies another factor which prevents meaningful AS/NT communication: the NTs seem to think that, while Aspies can't read their body language, they can read the Aspies body language. If they just realised that neither of them will be able to comprehend the others body language, and so have to use fully verbal communication... we might actually get somewhere.