Why do Ntypicals not want us to work?

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17 Dec 2010, 11:44 am

It's not that they don't want an Aspie to work, they just want certain people and if you don't measure up, they don't want to hire you. It doesn't matter what you have. They have a narrow set of criteria in many circumstances and several people competing for the same position so it might be tougher for the Aspie to get certain jobs because of this. The job market is very competitive. Luckily Aspies can be so interested in certain things, gaining a great deal of satisfaction from a specific area of involvement, not all of us need lots of money to be happy. We just need what we are interested in and if it's not money, we might not be that motivated to earn lots of it.



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17 Dec 2010, 11:59 am

This is actually an interesting topic for me. I am very much an ASD and yet have always been employed and maintained employment. I am also very affluent. I honestly do not know what the "difference" is in the equation between me and 80% of other ASD diagnosed who are under or unemployed but am trying to understand it right now as many people are asking me this question too.



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17 Dec 2010, 12:04 pm

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I notice a common re-occurring theme among a lot of Neurotypicals is that they are disgusted with aspies working professional jobs......or even just jobs.


WHY? Do they WANT to pay disability for us?


Never heard that one before, but I'd say the reason is that we do a much better job than them and they don't want us to show them up.

This is why I'm going into business for myself. My companies will only hire Aspies. I'll talk to charities and get them to help me spread the word in return for sponsorship. Aspies tend to work much harder than NTs if they're doing something that interests them.



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17 Dec 2010, 12:09 pm

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ApsieGuy wrote:
I notice a common re-occurring theme among a lot of Neurotypicals is that they are disgusted with aspies working professional jobs......or even just jobs.


WHY? Do they WANT to pay disability for us?


Never heard that one before, but I'd say the reason is that we do a much better job than them and they don't want us to show them up.

This is why I'm going into business for myself. My companies will only hire Aspies. I'll talk to charities and get them to help me spread the word in return for sponsorship. Aspies tend to work much harder than NTs if they're doing something that interests them.

That sounds good, but are you allowed to hire someone based on something like that or is it considered discrimination. You are supposed to look at who is qualified for the job regardless of disability, race, gender, etc.



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17 Dec 2010, 12:12 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
I notice a common re-occurring theme among a lot of Neurotypicals is that they are disgusted with aspies working professional jobs......or even just jobs.


WHY? Do they WANT to pay disability for us?


Never heard that one before, but I'd say the reason is that we do a much better job than them and they don't want us to show them up.

This is why I'm going into business for myself. My companies will only hire Aspies. I'll talk to charities and get them to help me spread the word in return for sponsorship. Aspies tend to work much harder than NTs if they're doing something that interests them.

That sounds good, but are you allowed to hire someone based on something like that or is it considered discrimination. You are supposed to look at who is qualified for the job regardless of disability, race, gender, etc.


There's already a software company that specifically looks to hire Aspies, so for whatever reason, it's completely legal.



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17 Dec 2010, 12:15 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ApsieGuy wrote:
I notice a common re-occurring theme among a lot of Neurotypicals is that they are disgusted with aspies working professional jobs......or even just jobs.


WHY? Do they WANT to pay disability for us?


Never heard that one before, but I'd say the reason is that we do a much better job than them and they don't want us to show them up.

This is why I'm going into business for myself. My companies will only hire Aspies. I'll talk to charities and get them to help me spread the word in return for sponsorship. Aspies tend to work much harder than NTs if they're doing something that interests them.

That sounds good, but are you allowed to hire someone based on something like that or is it considered discrimination. You are supposed to look at who is qualified for the job regardless of disability, race, gender, etc.


Actually, in Canada, that is not the case. Companies are allowed to hire "disadvantaged" persons on a preferential basis and the government does the same thing. It is even in our charter that companies can hire disadvantaged persons on a preferential basis and that it overrides the discrimination clause. A company in Canada can say they hire aspies and prefer aspies and the NTs can't sue or do anything about since it is in our charter and if the NTs do try to complain that the company is only hiring aspies, then the complaining NTs will be tarred and feathered as bigots.


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17 Dec 2010, 2:40 pm

My mom doesn't want me to work because she's overprotective of me. She's afraid that I won't be able to handle the stress and that I'll come home crying if a customer is rude to me.

My dad, on the other hand, thinks it would be good for me to go to work and sometimes offers to set me up with simple tasks to help him at his work.



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17 Dec 2010, 2:42 pm

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So if an Aspie gets to be a millionaire. why is it that NT's still try to be millionaires? Surely an Aspie being one would spoil the experience?


Not very many NTs do attempt to become millionaires, and those who do couldn't care less who else does it as long as they get as much money for themselves as they can.

I have that line of thought myself, in fact.



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17 Dec 2010, 3:41 pm

kfisherx wrote:
This is actually an interesting topic for me. I am very much an ASD and yet have always been employed and maintained employment. I am also very affluent. I honestly do not know what the "difference" is in the equation between me and 80% of other ASD diagnosed who are under or unemployed but am trying to understand it right now as many people are asking me this question too.

It's not actually that many - that's for diagnosed adults, which is obviously going to be much higher (if an adult can keep a job, they're not likely to get diagnosed). The actual number (taking a few thousand adults, then checking how many could get an autism diagnosis) is about 35% not working, vs 25% for non-autists. Higher, but not by a lot.
http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot. ... cs-in.html

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There's already a software company that specifically looks to hire Aspies, so for whatever reason, it's completely legal.

Legal in Denmark and Canada, but it might not be everywhere. Check your country's laws.



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17 Dec 2010, 3:49 pm

Bluefins wrote:
kfisherx wrote:
This is actually an interesting topic for me. I am very much an ASD and yet have always been employed and maintained employment. I am also very affluent. I honestly do not know what the "difference" is in the equation between me and 80% of other ASD diagnosed who are under or unemployed but am trying to understand it right now as many people are asking me this question too.

It's not actually that many - that's for diagnosed adults, which is obviously going to be much higher (if an adult can keep a job, they're not likely to get diagnosed). The actual number (taking a few thousand adults, then checking how many could get an autism diagnosis) is about 35% not working, vs 25% for non-autists. Higher, but not by a lot.
http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot. ... ics-in.htm


Oh wow! This is enlightening and something I considered as a probability actually. I would say about half or more of the people in my high-tech lab are on the spectrum, but (like me) would never go get diagnosed. My own realization happened due to grief counselling not for the fact I was seeking ASD specific help.



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17 Dec 2010, 3:51 pm

Craig28 wrote:
So if an Aspie gets to be a millionaire. why is it that NT's still try to be millionaires? Surely an Aspie being one would spoil the experience?


I would LOVE to test that theory out for myself. :-)



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17 Dec 2010, 3:58 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ApsieGuy wrote:
I notice a common re-occurring theme among a lot of Neurotypicals is that they are disgusted with aspies working professional jobs......or even just jobs.


WHY? Do they WANT to pay disability for us?


Never heard that one before, but I'd say the reason is that we do a much better job than them and they don't want us to show them up.

This is why I'm going into business for myself. My companies will only hire Aspies. I'll talk to charities and get them to help me spread the word in return for sponsorship. Aspies tend to work much harder than NTs if they're doing something that interests them.

That sounds good, but are you allowed to hire someone based on something like that or is it considered discrimination. You are supposed to look at who is qualified for the job regardless of disability, race, gender, etc.


There's already a software company that specifically looks to hire Aspies, so for whatever reason, it's completely legal.


If the government officials did anything to stop the hiring behaviors, then they would have to apply the same rules to their favorite chicken wing and beer restaurants; that only hire attractive women with plastic... "chest-accessories". 8O



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17 Dec 2010, 4:07 pm

I have a very hard time finding work, because I generally have to interview with someone who knows nothing about the actual work and therefore concentrates on my personality. However, once I manage to get work (never via the interview process), I never have any problem keeping it. It might be a different story with more people-oriented lines of work though.



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17 Dec 2010, 5:13 pm

ApsieGuy wrote:
I notice a common re-occurring theme among a lot of Neurotypicals is that they are disgusted with aspies working professional jobs......or even just jobs.


WHY? Do they WANT to pay disability for us?


Seriously who are these NTs?
I believe though some aspies come off a bit weird in workplaces at times but not everybody knows they are autistic. I heard two complaining about a guy to me that was obviously autistic. They were not picking up on it, but I knew exactly that. To them he was just kind of a jerky guy who would ramble on about things he was interested in.

I will be honest, I am out as being on the spectrum at work. It isn't a bad thing where I work. I work with people who are honestly concerned about kids with disabilities. It's their job, so to see one suceeding as an adult (I work in the IT department) is encouraging. They have tough jobs, and they often don't get to see the end result when the education system works.

Office politics are not easy, I have struggled with it myself. But it doesn't always have to be a disaster.

Also learning interview skills can be helpful. I do it just for practice on occasion. In some cases the company stays interested.



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17 Dec 2010, 5:44 pm

Bluefins wrote:
Legal in Denmark and Canada, but it might not be everywhere. Check your country's laws.


The company in question is in the UK.



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17 Dec 2010, 5:58 pm

Here's my reasons. I'm a pharmacist:

1. Difficulty talking with people/doctors on the phone (social formalities. verbal memory problems, etc.)
2. I can't multi-task (difficulties working the till and insurance issues)
3. I can't remember patient's names
4. I'm socially anxious and inept (obvious social anxiety issues)
5. I don't care for chit-chat
6. Slow at expressing myself to patients/collegues because of verbal memory issues
7. Can't remember stuff unless it's connected in some way or I'm very interested in it.
8. Hate playing the "professional" role and dumb formalities that go with it (I have to be polite, talk like a professional, dress like a professional, wear those stupid white jackets, etc.)