Autism and synesthesia?
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I get the taste one and sometimes experiences textures. It's not always there though. I need to concentrate on it. It's best to do in bed when I can't sleep.
That's interesting. I did lose some of my skepticism when I found that some of the reasons for my skepticism were actually pretty typical for synesthetes (like how I see music), so yeah.
It just seems so intangible, it's easy to dismiss it.
I had to look this one up.
I don't have it, but my son has GOT to. I've always said that he just sees something in numbers and letters that most of us don't.
And something about curves... the curve of a walking cane; a candy cane; a question mark; a clothes hanger.... I wish I could see them through his eyes, because he lights right up. It's incredible.
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I get the taste one and sometimes experiences textures. It's not always there though. I need to concentrate on it. It's best to do in bed when I can't sleep.
That's interesting. I did lose some of my skepticism when I found that some of the reasons for my skepticism were actually pretty typical for synesthetes (like how I see music), so yeah.
It just seems so intangible, it's easy to dismiss it.
One thing that seems so common to me which isn't is days/weeks/months having a position in space. May is at the front of me. November is behind. January is in front of May. Same with days of the week. Except Sunday is behind, Wednesday is like in my middle and Saturday is way out the front. It goes horizontally through me.
I don't have it, but my son has GOT to. I've always said that he just sees something in numbers and letters that most of us don't.
And something about curves... the curve of a walking cane; a candy cane; a question mark; a clothes hanger.... I wish I could see them through his eyes, because he lights right up. It's incredible.
That's so cute. I have a thing for textures, especially bumps or ridges. I just love running my finger over them.
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I feel sounds. When I hear (or if I'm having an especially difficult day, when I read) a word, I feel it, kind of like when you touch something. Words can feel velvety, cool to the touch, smooth, spiky, like gravel or sand.... certain words cause extremely unpleasant physical sensations, for example, like having spiders run over my body. This is a serious problem sometimes because it is impossible to control what other people say and if I happen to read a word, even in passing, when I'm having a overly sensitive day, I get very agitated. Does anyone know of any ways to deal with this kind of issue?
Actually, I found a reasonable representation of what it looks like too.
Think of this clip as a cartoon version of what I see: I barely have any colours and it's not circular blobs, but the layout (where the layers or parts of the music and their relationship is clearly visible) is about right and it moves/flows a little like this too.
But it's still a cartoon representation. Mine has a depth and is much more alive and, er, "organic".
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ykTqoQnqI&feature=related[/youtube]
This sounds very similar to me.
OH! this clip is really amazing! not that music looks exactly like this to me, but if feels like this, and that's what i do with my fingers when i have some music playing in my head! (ok this sounded insane but hopefully i'm not alone there)
I get this , in light and feelings. I don't see real colours, just the notes are brighter or darker. But i feel them the way i see the dots there, a light touch, a wider touch, a pointy touch...This is funny

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I have it mildly. It's somewhat context-dependent and comes out more in different situations; for example if I'm emotionally involved in the music, text, whatever. I get grapheme-color and sometimes sound-color. I get it with numbers if I'm looking at patterns, for example all the 4s will seem to be of a different "shade" than the 6s.
That's so very true... I told someone about the fact i see numbers in colour once and they said oh wow how they wish they could do that...why? i never knew number 5 could be anything but red for anyone, but i never go about thinking "yay omg i'm so lucky, my fives are red"

I never thought about it before hearing it was not normal. Like huh, the rest of me.
edit: and by the way my fives are not red. I don't even know how to explain what i mean. I don't see the number five as red, but five IS red. As in 5=red. Whatever i make no sense....i do see it red automatically because it's the same thing, as in a five drawn in green ink will seem weird to me and "wrong", five is red by default though .....ok i stop trying now. I have to stop typing the word "red" as it is starting to separate into "r", "e" and "d", and losing its meaning. What is THAT about by the way?
I have several types of synesthesia: Letters and numbers have color, gender, and personality. Words have shape and weight. Sounds have color, shape, movement, and location. Units of time have color and shape. Some concepts have color. Smells have color. Personalities have color. Objects have gender and personality.
It does seem like there's a connection with autism spectrum disorders. I'd love to see an official study on that.
It definitely seems like synesthesia is common on the spectrum. I noticed it early in childhood, particularly with associating colors with the letters of the alphabet, individual words, numbers, and pitches (I have extremely acute absolute pitch.) Now as an adult and professional musician, I find that many types of sonorities, harmonic language, and textures in music bring to mind not only colors but also complex physical textures.
Are any of you familiar with the 20th century French composer Olivier Messiaen? He had extremely complex and acute synesthetic sensitivity, and his music is incredibly colorful. My head nearly exploded the first time I heard some of his music!
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That's so very true... I told someone about the fact i see numbers in colour once and they said oh wow how they wish they could do that...why? i never knew number 5 could be anything but red for anyone, but i never go about thinking "yay omg i'm so lucky, my fives are red"

I never thought about it before hearing it was not normal. Like huh, the rest of me.
edit: and by the way my fives are not red. I don't even know how to explain what i mean. I don't see the number five as red, but five IS red. As in 5=red. Whatever i make no sense....i do see it red automatically because it's the same thing, as in a five drawn in green ink will seem weird to me and "wrong", five is red by default though .....ok i stop trying now. I have to stop typing the word "red" as it is starting to separate into "r", "e" and "d", and losing its meaning. What is THAT about by the way?
Yeah, I don't get it when someone expresses envy.
Your statement that "five IS red" makes sense to me only in that I can relate it to certain words being certain colors but ... yeah, hard to explain but what you wrote resonates.

For me it's time-space synesthesia. The year is an inclined ring with the New Year at the top and my position on it depends on the current time of year. I see this one the most but also have a visualization for a day and week.
The day is a chevron with noon at the apex but instead of being on it I'm looking at it with the current time standing out to me in a way I can't describe.
The week is 7 blocks in a line. Sat and Sun are raised higher than the rest of the week. Mon and Fri are even height and the lowest of all, Tue and Thur are even and slightly higher and wed is slightly higher than those and about 3/4 the height of the weekend. Again, this one I look at and am not on it.
The last is the hardest one for me to describe. Viewed at a distance it would be like a helix, but each decade is a straight line vs a portion of the curve. I can't look at more than one decade at a time with any visible definition. This is the only one where my zoom level so to speak changes. I can zoom in to a single decade or back out to a great distance. At a distance it looks like a white single helix against a black background. The odd thing is that from this distant vantage point I see other such helices in the distance and cannot explain their presence.

I can't help but wonder how flat and plodding music must be without this extra sensory data, this 'light-n-feeling' show going on.
The first time I heard 'Dieu parmi nous' (which was the first of his works I'd ever heard, and it was played live) I could barely move. My mind was doing some very strange things, and only Messiaen does that to me. It was so intense it was exhausting.
His Wikipedia entry mentions the synaesthesia:
In certain of Messiaen's scores, he notated the colours in the music (notably in Couleurs de la cité céleste and Des canyons aux étoiles...)— the purpose being to aid the conductor in interpretation rather than to specify which colours the listener should experience. The importance of colour is linked to Messiaen's synaesthesia, which he said caused him to experience colours when he heard or imagined music (he said that he did not perceive the colours visually). In his multi-volume music theory treatise Traité de rythme, de couleur, et d'ornithologie ("Treatise of Rhythm, Colour and Birdsong"), Messiaen wrote descriptions of the colours of certain chords. His descriptions ranging from the simple ("gold and brown") to the highly detailed ("blue-violet rocks, speckled with little grey cubes, cobalt blue, deep Prussian blue, highlighted by a bit of violet-purple, gold, red, ruby, and stars of mauve, black and white. Blue-violet is dominant").
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I don't think I have synesthesia but certain numbers have certain colours in my head. For example, 1 is white, 3 is light blue, 4 is yellow, 8 is orange and 9 is red. (Other numbers don't conjure up a colour and combinations of single digit numbers don't do anything either.) And when I see the colours they aren't actually visible in front of me at all, just visuallized in my head. I'm not sure if there is a name for what I experience, it's not synesthesia but I don't think it's what would be considered 'normal' either. Maybe I am remembering what colour the numbers were from reading them in a book or something as a kid, I'm not sure.
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^^ Agreed.
With me it's not as strong a sense as if I'm deliberately remembering a colour, it's more subtle than that and comes with extra goodies attached to the colour sensation (texture, shape, depth, mass).
It's all still internal and not in front of me in any sense, but unlike a straightforward memory of a colour (which sort-of floods my 'internal screen'), colours invoked by sounds or harmonies always move or pulse slowly in an organic, dynamic flowing sort of thing even if the sound itself is constant - like a chord sounding, say, or even one sustained note.
I get nothing whatever for numbers or days, with some colours for months.
But music quite literally becomes alive.
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