Disabled parking - ever dealt with abusive passers-by?

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17 May 2011, 1:22 pm

But then YOU might come under attack from the more obviously disabled people, Bloodheart. They might think you were mocking them by wearing a T-shirt like that, because you don't appear to be disabled judging from your outward appearance. Your plan would backfire.

A better way might be to wear a T-shirt saying (more specifically) that you have Asperger's. But a lot of people do not think of AS as a disability, and see it as a form of mental illness. So that wouldn't work as a means of identifying yourself as disabled, either.

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17 May 2011, 1:23 pm

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While it IS easy to push a stroller up to the car, imagine a single Mother who doesn't have a stroller and relies on a shopping cart to put her car seat into. Is she supposed to carry the car seat(which weigh a ridiculous amount and are extremely awkwardly shaped) all the way across the parking lot? I don't know about where you live, but in the Walmart parking lot here, carrying something that heavy that far while trying to avoid cars is dangerous and not very comfortable. There are also parents who have children who have a hard time in the parking lot, or multiple children and walking through the parking lot would be dangerous.

I do believe the parking things are abused, and it's very unfortunate because when someone like me actually needs one, I can't get one.


I still don't believe in special parking for parents. That would be almost half the city! Yes, a baby in a car seat might be heavy, but it is not THAT far to the carts. Also, there are almost ALWAYS dozens of carts outside, on the way to the front door, in the cart corrals. Our parking lots are not that huge here where it would physically or mentally harm the parent to park in a normal parking spot. I just don't agree with it.



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17 May 2011, 1:24 pm

Something like this Bloodheart?

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17 May 2011, 1:26 pm

My mom would do well with a disability parking tag, not because she cant walk, but because she is allergic to the sun. Her car is somewhat protected from the sun, but when she parks and walks out in the sun, she swells up real bad. But this is one of those disabilities that you cant see. She would likely be the person walking as fast as she can out of the parking spot...probably being ridiculed too...go figure.


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17 May 2011, 1:28 pm

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My mom would do well with a disability parking tag, not because she cant walk, but because she is allergic to the sun. Her car is somewhat protected from the sun, but when she parks and walks out in the sun, she swells up real bad. But this is one of those disabilities that you cant see. She would likely be the person walking as fast as she can out of the parking spot...probably being ridiculed too...go figure.


Wow! Well that is DEFINITELY someone who should have disabled parking. I certainly think some people who can walk fine do need the parking. There are also people just as allergic to water (ie. rain) who would also benefit from disabled parking.



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17 May 2011, 1:58 pm

littlelily613 wrote:
Dirty_Diamonds wrote:
While it IS easy to push a stroller up to the car, imagine a single Mother who doesn't have a stroller and relies on a shopping cart to put her car seat into. Is she supposed to carry the car seat(which weigh a ridiculous amount and are extremely awkwardly shaped) all the way across the parking lot? I don't know about where you live, but in the Walmart parking lot here, carrying something that heavy that far while trying to avoid cars is dangerous and not very comfortable. There are also parents who have children who have a hard time in the parking lot, or multiple children and walking through the parking lot would be dangerous.

I do believe the parking things are abused, and it's very unfortunate because when someone like me actually needs one, I can't get one.


I still don't believe in special parking for parents. That would be almost half the city! Yes, a baby in a car seat might be heavy, but it is not THAT far to the carts. Also, there are almost ALWAYS dozens of carts outside, on the way to the front door, in the cart corrals. Our parking lots are not that huge here where it would physically or mentally harm the parent to park in a normal parking spot. I just don't agree with it.


You're entitled to your opinion, but there are always cases you don't know about. There aren't always carts around here, I don't know about where you live, but there aren't here. If you have to park really far away in the Walmart parking lot, you're far away from EVERYTHING. We have a super walmart, and the parking lot is huge. Should a parent leave their child in a car while they go to get a cart?

I can't carry a car seat at all. I have a physical disability, but I don't have a disabled parking permit. If I had a child, I would NEED one of those spaces, or I couldn't go to the store. I don't go to the store alone anyway, and can't, but if I was just dealing with my physical disability, that would be the case.



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17 May 2011, 2:28 pm

Henbane wrote:
Something like this Bloodheart?

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Found here: http://nopitycity.com/shirts/what-a-per ... looks-like


That is a brilliant T-shirt! I need one of them! :bounce:

Only problem: where I live it's normally so cold that you can't wear T-shirts. :roll:



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17 May 2011, 2:45 pm

I'm a parent and also agree with littlelily about parent parking spots. There are lot of parents and if they had parking sports for them, they all be taken and others still be forced to use regular parking spots. So what would be the point? I also see your point too dirty diamonds. Maybe some places should have spots for people with small children but I know they would get abused anyway. Even expecting spots get abused and I never even used one because my area doesn't have them. But I remember how sore my legs be when I was nearing the last month of my pregnancy for being on them too long. But I still walked far and still worked. But the ironic thing is at Babies R Us, they have all these handicapped parking sports in front of the store and shouldn't lot of them be expecting spots?

I never had to take in a carseat using a shopping cart. Stores tend to have infant seats attached to the cart and we carry our son in and put him in it. My husband refuses to have the carrier on the cart and it takes up too much room in the cart so we use the seat the store has. Pretty soon when he starts to sit up on his own without any support, he will sit in the cart seat.

But some parents do bring in the car seat and put it in the cart because they didn't want to wake their child. But I can't imagine was a nuisance it must be to unbuckle it and having to put it back in again.

But I do carry the infant carrier around like into doctor offices or in some stores because the carts are too small and yes it is a nuisance but it's part of being a parent. I have also had to carry it across the parking lot, same as when we eat out and strollers take up space and would hate to have it get in the way.



My husband probably qualifies for a parking permit because he has bad feet. He had birth defects in them and when he has been on them for too long, they hurt. They feel like he had twisted his ankles. But I am terrified of using one for him because I am afraid of what people might do to my car thinking we are abusing it. he may have a cane but I still don't want to take chances. There was a woman in my area who had her car keyed for parking in a handicapped parking spot. She had a terminal illness and she didn't look disabled and some guy thought she was one of those abusers so he keyed her car. It was caught on camera too and she didn't wish to press charges, she just wanted him to know how wrong he was. So that story makes me that paranoid.



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18 May 2011, 8:05 am

Having a disability does not entitle you to park in a handicapped spot.

Those are intended for those with physical ailments where walking a long distance would be burdensome. Most people with AS don't qualify and should leave those spots for those with more immediate need.

Common courtesy.

If you do have a physical disability as well, it's okay to use them.



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18 May 2011, 9:41 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Having a disability does not entitle you to park in a handicapped spot.

Those are intended for those with physical ailments where walking a long distance would be burdensome. Most people with AS don't qualify and should leave those spots for those with more immediate need.

Common courtesy.

If you do have a physical disability as well, it's okay to use them.


I'm talking about people with a disability that does cause them to need the handicapped parking, and who get abuse from people who jump to conclusions just because they can't see the disability.

In case anybody jumps to conclusions, I don't have a permit, or intend to get one, nor do I have a car or even know how to drive. I used my own sensory issues to explore the possibility of someone with more severe autism, or at least more severe sensory problems, as an example of someone with an invisible disability who would genuinely make good use of a disabled parking space. They're not just for people who struggle to walk.

I'm not trying to excuse cheaters. I'm trying to point out how wrong it is that many genuinely eligible people get treated so horribly. It is far, far better to assume a person is rightfully using disabled parking spaces and just leave them alone, than to wrongly accuse them and find out later that you've just hassled the very person you thought you were sticking up for. Pick on a person whether you had good intentions or not, you're in the wrong already.

What annoys me most of all is that taking matters into your own hands is not the way to deal with frauds. The way to deal with frauds is to report fraud!



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18 May 2011, 11:34 am

I could probably get a handicapped parking spot because of the medical problems I have...and it would be helpful, too. I've never pushed to get a permit, though, because I don't really want to answer questions about why I have it, and I know people would give me grief about it :roll:


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18 May 2011, 11:58 am

Tequila wrote:
all_white wrote:
This, and also the fact that so many permits are stolen, and the people displaying them in their cars may not be genuinely disabled.

I don't know where the OP is from, but here in the UK there is a big problem with people breaking into cars and stealing disabled parking badges. Having one in your car means you get to park for free in some places where other people would be charged.


And the fact that people can't tell people who are genuinely disabled v those who are fakers, plus the deluge of stories of fakers in the tabloid press, plus the propensity of a minority of people who would rather all disabled people were gassed to death, plus the fact that there are people on the left in Britain who want to see us as pets so they can make money from us rather than individuals in our own right...

...it's a tricky one all round.


I had a boss who used his dead grandmother's disabled parking tag that you put on your rearview mirror. He left it on his desk so someone swiped it the guy took it got into a fight with another employee who also wanted it. :roll:


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18 May 2011, 12:00 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Having a disability does not entitle you to park in a handicapped spot.

Those are intended for those with physical ailments where walking a long distance would be burdensome.


YES!

If one did not agree with this, then one might also say that a person with no legs, but who is NT and without any emotional or psychological issues, would "automatically" be qualified to go to a special ed school or be given special treatment which they don't need with only a physical disability.

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A pregnant woman is no different from a non-pregnant woman as far as qualifying for a handicapped parking permit. What I mean is, if she is able to walk normally, then she should not be entitled to a permit. But if she has encountered a complication from the pregnancy such as a back problem or any other threat to her health (or the fetus) if she were to exert energy in longer walks, then indeed a permit is warranted. People with babies or toddlers, NO WAY! Having children is a choice, and you are giving up your ability to do many things (INCLUDING conveniences in hopping out of cars and dashing into a business), when you opt to have a baby. If the argument in favor of giving parents with babies a permit for the handicapped space is due to the bulky stroller and baby seat installation, etc., then shouldn't anyone with a large vehicle with big doors be allowed a permit? See where this could go??? I have an '82 Cadillac Eldorado with doors that open about 5 feet wide, and if I choose to drive that car someplace, I expect to find a suitable parking place which is usually NOT near the entrance of whatever establishment I'm going to.

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18 May 2011, 5:38 pm

No. I usually park farther out and leave the close spots for eldery or mothers.



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19 May 2011, 6:50 pm

all_white wrote:
But a lot of people do not think of AS as a disability, and see it as a form of mental illness. So that wouldn't work as a means of identifying yourself as disabled, either.


Then there's the fact that Asperger's is not necessarily disabling for all people diagnosed with it. And a lot of people think I'm making excuses when, in reality, I'm just different.



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19 May 2011, 6:54 pm

I actually thought about letting people who criticise everything about me my entire life medical records. Which probably run into hundreds of pages, and see if that will shut them up. I've seen doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, podiatrists (both intra- and outside the NHS), mental health professionals, social workers, disability benefit people, opticians… the list goes on. It would run into many hundreds of pages.

Would even that shut them up?