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Cherokee
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28 Aug 2006, 3:13 am

Emettman wrote:
Existential despair is something very real but also rare.
If you've never met it you are lucky, and you should let it lie at that.
It's not something anyone is better for discovering.
And that is not a joke or a put-down.



Really? I thought everyone had to stave off existential despair.



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28 Aug 2006, 3:36 am

what trhe heck is it first?
your first explanation was unhlep full



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28 Aug 2006, 9:51 am

donkey wrote:
Emettman wrote:
Eeep.
You don't have anything for existential despair, do you?

A strong suspicion, hardening to conviction, that whatever the relative values of myself against others, the whole business of existence is empty, futile and without meaning.


ok no one, i mean no on ever anywhere says eeeep. anymore
and wtf are you talking about?


Hey! I say eep all the time! So eep eep eep, eeepity, eep to you! :P


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28 Aug 2006, 1:13 pm

Cherokee wrote:
Emettman wrote:
Existential despair is something very real but also rare.
If you've never met it you are lucky, and you should let it lie at that.
It's not something anyone is better for discovering.
And that is not a joke or a put-down.


Really? I thought everyone had to stave off existential despair.


No, to the lucky or ignorant ones (and those classes are not identical or mutually exclusive),
or those with a confident belief in a sheltering world-view, the question does not even arise, so does not need to be dealt with.

"Alas! regardless of their doom,
The little victims play;
No sense have they of ills to come,
Nor care beyond to-day.
...
Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
'Tis folly to be wise." Thomas Gray.

http://www.web-books.com/Classics/Poetr ... stance.htm



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28 Aug 2006, 1:49 pm

donkey wrote:
what trhe heck is it first?
your first explanation was unhlep full


What, "A strong suspicion, hardening to conviction, that whatever the relative values of myself against others, the whole business of existence is empty, futile and without meaning."

It's a realisation that whatever you do or choose, it's about as useful and significant as re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic.
(were you to realise you were on the Titanic, then possibly getting really interested in deckchair arranging would be the best you could do, if you could manage it.)

Shakespeare saw it when he said, in Macbeth, life "is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

It's a thread that can be traced though a variety of writers and sources. It's never been the mainstream, but it's there.

It's a dark view of the world that most people duck, consciously or unconsciously.

"What do you want?"
"I want the truth"
"You can't handle the truth!" Nicholson/Cruise, "A Few Good Men"

Or Douglas Adams' Total Perspective Vortex,
which shows people their place in the universe, and therefore destroys their minds.



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28 Aug 2006, 1:55 pm

its a pretty dim view of the world then
existence is meaningless?

macbeth was corrupted by his wife and nichlson played a power hungry colnel at guantanamo, where marines really are marines and life has no meaning ecept what they make of it.

im better of not knowing what it meant.

but try this.

stupid as a stupid does..........forrest gump.



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28 Aug 2006, 2:37 pm

donkey wrote:
im better of not knowing what it meant.


Yes. Don't go there unless you reall feel you have to.


"stupid as a stupid does.."

Works as long as you are sure where you're measuring from.
Yes, with Darwin Awards there's a pretty good consensus, but with religion, ethics, politics...
Plenty on each side prepared to call the other side's thoughts and actions "stupid".