OCD / ADHD and ASDs

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I have self dx inattentive ADD (99.99% certain). I have other comorbit conditions
like self dx dyspraxia, self dx dyslexia, self dx dysgraphia, self dx social anxitey
disorder, lego obession as a kid chemistry obession as an adult which suggest I
do have a PDD's of some kind.

Yes, OCDers can stop themselves - but it leads to an intense, often overwhelming sense of anxiety.

(Also, SteveK, your abundant use of CAPITALS to EMPHASISE words makes your posts VERY HARD TO READ, in my opinion. I'm sorry, I am not having a dig at you personally because I don't know you; you've never done anything to me to make me resent / dislike (/ whatever else) you but I felt I had to point it out because I always feel very agitated when trying to read your posts due to the abundant use of capitals. This is not in any way a dig at you or anything; just an observation and I guess also a request that you perhaps be more selective with your emphasis? Please? )

By the way, just another thought - if we're discussing the differences between ADD, OCD and AS, why not look up the DSM-IV-TR diagnostic criteria for each? Surely that's the most definitive way?

And just my opinion, but - it seems that TS, AS, ASDs, AD(H)D, OCD, APD, etc are all connected in some way or another.


Edited due to my incompetence, and in order to avoid confusion.

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The occasional CAPS is okay in my book. If you have something really insightful to share...then why not? Sometimes in conversation we do raise our voices slightly to emphasize a particular thought. Then again, if someone does know more and has greater insight, then...., the magnanimous thing to do is to share and enlighten those who are seeking knowledge. I have a feeling Einstein would have never said, THIS IS WRONG, and left it at that. His quotes show us that he was always engaging people to think and learn.

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(My previous post needed editing; sorry - my apologies for any confusion caused by my utter lack of competence )

wow. capitals and i have had a bad history. i have explained that before. some have also spoken against my use of exclamation points. c'est la vie. i'm sorry. 8-( hopefully the absence of any capitals here will help to make up for that. i'm sorry. 8-(

steve

People with OCD are not able however to stop themselves all the time - it depends on how intense it is. For instance some people can not make themselves go into a place because it is contaminated (or whatever). So that would be considered a very severe level of OCD and many with OCD have varying levels depending on stress and anxiety which tend to make it worse. So I know there have been times when I would not do certian things and it seemed like to others that I was just being defiant. It is important to know because some people think you can FORCE someone with OCD to just stop doing it if you apply enough external pressure. Many will voluntarily try to put it on hold out of fear of social embarrassment but it is usually only a temporary thing and can lead to a more intense compulsion - like if you only had to wash 3 times you might have to wash 10 times because it was delayed.

Monk, by the way others have suggested, seems more to have OCPD than true OCD because of his ability to put the OCD on hold. I rarely watch it but my husband does and one episode had him jumping into a sewer to chase a criminal - highly doubtful someone with severe OCD could do that. Apparently he has a brother who does not leave his apartment and others have suggested that seems more like OCD and he has other behaviors related to AS. I can't confirm that though - only something that I read.

And I agree that there seems to be some relationship to OCD, TS, ADHD and AS.

I'm not looking for an apology. If you want to "shout", just make sure it's something brilliant that you are shouting.

I was simply looking for further insight. You disagreed with much on an earlier post that I made but didn't flush out a better explanation. I am hoping that you would have something substantial to share. If you could, define the three disorders.

Key question though

Are these extra labels added onto being AS helpful or in anyway beneficial to you at all?

Tortoise,

sorry. my apology was simply that. i wasn't trying to say you were demanding one.
as for my disagreeing with you? i did make that clear.

you gave one reason why adhd could happen. it wasn't complete.

for ocd you can stop. if you couldn't, it would be a tic and not ocd. the problem with ocd is that you are obsessed(it becomes a main focus), and compelled(you are forced to continue/restart/etc...).

As for asd, your description is also part of autism, and lots of other disorders. It just lacks detail.

Steve

Sorry for the later capitals. I tried to remove them all. Maybe I can just get rid of emphasis.

Well flush it all out man!! ! Lets see some mental sparks fly. Give us your definitions of the three.

Yet again I did not explain myself clearly, so thank you walk-in-the-rain for adding that explanation - I have OCD myself and find that sometimes I can stop myself complying with compulsions, but (and I don't really know how to explain it) other compulsions intensify - I've thought of it as they're compensating for the other compulsion that was put on hold. Something like that. I know that's not actually what happens, but that's how I tend to think of it.


Just a thought - the incident with Monk jumping into the sewer. Could it have been adrenalin making him overcome contamination fears? If he suffered great repercussions afterwards then I'd have thought it possible, but if not, then obviously not. Anyway, I realise that I am asking about one particular incident and have never, ever seen Monk so I'm thinking that if others who have seen it reckon he has OCPD then they're probably right

Monks talents happened AFTER his wife died, senses don't seem skewed, etc.... so It doesn't look like any kind of autism. He clearly doesn't have ADHD.

He DOES have a typical extreme case of OCD.

As for the sewer incident? there were some reasons why he really HAD to catch the guy. I forget why. I don't think I have ever been able to watch that one through.

He HAS shown times where he resisted the OCD. HEY, he is smart and can think, so OF COURSE he can go against it. It just isn't smart, predictable, or comfortable, so he HATES it.

One time, he went through almost a whole episode with no assistant.

Steve

I like Monk too, gives me hope for my two boys. Perhaps the Monk character started out like they are. There again, I suspect you're right, he became like that after his wife died [not sure on that one]. There again, I have the feeling that he's supposed to be more of a phobic character / obsessive compulsive, rather than autistic.
Make a comparison and tell me what you think?
Best wishes
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I think I have only watched one Monk episode - the one with the sewer incident. I just saw others talking about it comparing his OCDisms although I think he doesn't have any AS tendencies - his brother is supposed to. Not first hand info though. If someone is supposed to have severe OCD about contamination issues than jumping into a sewer is going to be really improbable - or at least if he did he would start freaking out shortly afterwards. Maybe someone with a more mild type of OCD could make desicions about it. Not only would the actual place be gross but I imagine the smell and the thought of being splashed with the water would be overwhelming. Not sure though to what extent Monk's OCD is. If he was severe and just jumped in than that kind of makes it sound like OCD is all a choice and the people who have it are just being stubborn

Overall though he seems to get high marks from people with OCD - I didn't think he was making fun of anyone with it. It is just hard to watch when others are pointing at him and laughing and comparing it to you.

You bring up a good point.

OFFICIALLY, and throughout the series, the story is that monk was NORMAL and became as he did AFTER his wife died! LATER, they showed his brother, and indicated he was like this from a young age.

His brother and, to a degree, HE is agoraphobic. BOTH have exellent memories, but his brother is a bit more detail oriented. His brother writes all sorts of technical documentation, and knows lots of related facts, is a pack rat, and collects newspapers!

Monk deals more with patterns, and mysteries.

As for mcewen's boys? HEY, people didn't have too much hope for einstein. WHO KNOWS!?

I, for one, have more apprciation for what can happen. I look at my life, and think WOW! I fell down stairs a few times. Some built stars in a pretty STUPID way here earlier. It is now AGAINST THE LAW! I was almost burried once. One jerk tried to run me down in a car! I was in an orphanage, with NO knowledge of where my parents were.(Both had just moved, and I didn't know where). My mother moved me ALL OVER! That didn't make friendships any easier. I recently had a problem that health care workers turn white and stare at me like I just said I was superman, when I tell them. I had a dissected aorta and perhaps only 10% even make it to the hospital! The doctor said he would have given me 5 days TOPS. That was almost 2 years ago. Yet somehow I got through it all.

As for mentally? Some say I am the smartest they know, and I am trying to get better. That is part of the reason I remember all that garbage. I am trying to see if I can even read the textbooks again. That would be interesting! I think I ALMOST achieved that with some mathbooks! At the moment, it is almost like a bunch of movie trailers.

Steve

Just diagnosed ADD (cingulate, temporal, limbic), and OCD (in addition to a few other things)