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03 Aug 2012, 12:07 pm

You can tell she has it just by what she says about herself. Also how do they know she didn't learn to be that expressive? Maybe she has watched lot of documentaries or TV shows and watched how people move their hands and stuff and started to copy them. Maybe she has watched lot of movies too and watched the characters move their hands and watched their facial expressions and decided to mimic them. Or she could have been born with that normal trait and you don't need to have all the symptoms.

Some aspies are copycats and they copy other people and have no understanding of it. They just do it because they want to or because they want to be like everyone else.

I can't tell if her facial expressions were appropriate and hand gestures or not.


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03 Aug 2012, 1:27 pm

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She reminds me a lot of....me. In certain scenarios I can communicate very well-- I'm actually an excellent public speaker. I have to give talks at conferences and it doesn't phase me. The second I have to have an interactive conversation with someone, however... whole other story. Even then, I like to think that I've gotten better at coming across as normal. Most people (those who didn't really, really know me) were baffled by my diagnosis.... I can converse fine, but on the inside I'm constantly wrestling with my facial expression, body position, am I saying the right thing? What do I say next? etc.

So in that case, I guess one could consider me very "mild", but in other aspects (most of them), I'm definitely well into the aspie spectrum. That quiz that goes around? I scored 156 Aspie/39 NT.... and yet I'm a successful professional with friends and a successful marriage. People's internal battles may surprise you.


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03 Aug 2012, 1:29 pm

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Hmm... I stim a lot (wringing my hands, ankles, etc), though I'm better at controlling it around others. I'm terrible at reading faces, voice intonation, etc. I have a hard time telling people apart. I get very, very anxious in social situations and if it's a high-stress situation (a party, etc), I can't make eye contact or small talk and generally freak out. Conversation in general is exhausting. If I do talk a lot, it's about stuff I'm intensely interested in and can't pick up boredom cues from others. I like routine, and if my routine is broken it's anxiety-inducing. If I'm over stimulated, especially emotionally but also sensory (auditory stimulation especially), I'll have a meltdown. I compulsively feel fabrics, etc. I'm hyper-aware of everything my body/voice is doing in social situations. I can't stand changes in plans or unpredictable situations. I have a very hard time comprehending verbal instructions, directions, etc. I have relatively poor motor skills. I thrive on structure, rules, etc and get nervous/lost without them. I'm very distractable. I gt VERY frustrated at irrational times and can have outbursts, though usually only if I'm already over-stimulated. I hyper-focus on unusual interests. Irrational attachments to objects. I can't verbalize feelings very well, so when I have intense feelings it makes me really uncomfortable (cue meltdown). I have an extreme difficulty in making decisions.

These are all things that to the outside person can be really subtle... my husband was a bit incredulous when I was diagnosed, but after thinking about it he was like "oh my God, it explains everything." Like I said... I can pretend to be normal fairly well, but I also have nearly 30 years of practice. When I was a teenager you would have figured it out in about 10 minutes of talking to me. I do have a difficult time maintaining friendships; it's both a defense mechanism and an inability to relate with others. The only person I can tolerate being around extensively, oddly enough, is my NT husband... otherwise, my closest friends are Aspies. The rest, come and go.


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03 Aug 2012, 1:32 pm

If she made videos of herself interacting with others, it'd be much easier to tell. As it stands, I just can't "see" the Aspie traits in her.



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03 Aug 2012, 1:33 pm

I just watched the video and yes, everything about her seems very Asperger's to me.



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03 Aug 2012, 1:39 pm

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I just watched the video and yes, everything about her seems very Asperger's to me.


If that were the case, then this thread would never have been posted. The fact that she claims to have AS, yet apparently lacks most, if not all, the traits characteristic of an individual with AS, is what this is all about.

Personally, I'd like to believe that she's overcome many of the problems AS causes. Kinda gives one hope. :)



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03 Aug 2012, 2:21 pm

I didn't watch the whole video, but I watched a lot, and she reminds me of myself a lot actually. I could sit and reel off a story like that, I could talk on and on and on, but if you stepped in and asked me a question I'd probably just stop because I don't know what to say. I think generally Aspergers in females presents differently than it does in males, and I think most of them are higher functioning.

I've always been a mimicker; facial expressions; gestures; I sometimes catch myself mimicking ones on people on TV, though I didn't realise I was doing it when I was younger. According to my parents it's how I learned to talk. I watch people all the time, I analyse them, and I think I emulate them pretty convincingly; looks like she does too.

And since when was AS something you can see just by looking at someone? If you could tell just by looking at someone, why would we have to be diagnosed? Everyone presents differently, and none of them fill ALL the criteria. I went to college with 17 other teens with AS or HFA, some were just like her, some I never heard their voice, some couldn't even remember to have a shower a few times a week, some couldn't stand to hear loud noises, some just made grunting noises all the time, some seemed a lot normal than her even. You CAN'T tell just by watching a video of someone, those comments are just ridiculous.


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03 Aug 2012, 2:24 pm

BorgPrince wrote:
Esperanza wrote:
I just watched the video and yes, everything about her seems very Asperger's to me.


If that were the case, then this thread would never have been posted. The fact that she claims to have AS, yet apparently lacks most, if not all, the traits characteristic of an individual with AS, is what this is all about.

Personally, I'd like to believe that she's overcome many of the problems AS causes. Kinda gives one hope. :)


That is the case. I said she seems very Asperger's TO ME. I can't speak for what she seems like to you. Here's what I see:

-She is pedantic and overexplains things
-She has difficulty speaking clearly and sounds like she has marbles in her mouth
-She stutters a little bit
-She rambles a lot, loses her train of thought while talking, and takes a long time to get her story out because she repeats herself a lot

Autism and Asperger's Syndrome show up differently in different people (in particular, it looks very different in women than in men) and many of us have learned to appear NT.



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03 Aug 2012, 3:28 pm

Esperanza wrote:
That is the case. I said she seems very Asperger's TO ME. I can't speak for what she seems like to you. Here's what I see:


Indeed. I was implying that you are seeing what you want to see. I just didn't want to offend you.

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-She is pedantic and overexplains things
-She has difficulty speaking clearly and sounds like she has marbles in her mouth
-She stutters a little bit
-She rambles a lot, loses her train of thought while talking, and takes a long time to get her story out because she repeats herself a lot


I will rewatch the video in the future and see if I can see what you see.



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03 Aug 2012, 3:31 pm

Patchwork wrote:
And since when was AS something you can see just by looking at someone?


When Hans Asperger described AS...

Make of that what you will. :)



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03 Aug 2012, 3:44 pm

BorgPrince wrote:
Patchwork wrote:
And since when was AS something you can see just by looking at someone?


When Hans Asperger described AS...

Make of that what you will. :)


He described their interaction - or lack of - in a classroom full of children, he didn't watch videos of them on youtube talking to invisible viewers. It's a completely different situation, you can't tell just by looking at someone, you have to observe their behaviour and interaction with others, especially if they're high-functioning, that's why there's a set of criteria and you have to be assessed for a diagnosis, otherwise we'd simply have someone walk into a room and pick us out when we're kids.
In short, her AS may not be apparent at all unless she's trying to interact with others, I know mine certainly isn't.


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04 Aug 2012, 6:50 am

I actually took the yawning to be a either a stim and/or a sign of nerves. Even some NT's seem to yawn a lot when they are nervous.

As for can't be bothered with maths, something that I have learned from people who I know with learning difficulties is that it can be very easy to find something you can't grasp boring.
This person will interpret it as boring because they can't understand it, and dismiss it, without even fully realising themselves that they are struggling to understand it in the first place.