Aspie culture is needed why can't people see that.

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30 Apr 2013, 8:24 pm

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It occurs to me that both Fnord and Verdani have valid points, but it appears that they are limiting their viewpoint to WP.

Fnord appears, to me, to be right on several (not all) of his points IF one views WP as the whole of Aspie culture.

Verdani appears, to me, to be right about how/why people find WP, and explains (at least in part) why WP culture is what it is.

To the extent that there is "Aspie Culture" today, I would have to argue that as of 2013, WP is the current flagship of "Aspie Culture", mainly by default. WrongPlanet is the largest resource for Aspies in the world, and to ignore it's cultural significance would be an error.

Now, some of the above posters do look at the topic of what that culture consists of today. I'd rather ask what sort of positive incentives would lead to a more "positive" culture?

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30 Apr 2013, 8:29 pm

Fnord wrote:

Not entirely - there could be some valid reasons, as well; but when people are absolutely certain that my methods would never work for them without even trying them our first, I have to wonder if their "reasons" really are just excuses.

Fair point, although I sometimes think people have assumptions about their abilities that may be reinforced by a lifetime of failure. Before I really looked at what I can and can't do I found even trying some things very difficult due to repeated failures.

On the other hand, advice here and elsewhere has enabled me to see past that and try things again with said advice in mind.

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I've read some great ideas here that when I try to implement them leave me a bit of a wreck. Other ideas that have helped a lot.

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Isn't that the way our "culture" works?

I'm not sure.

I do try to implement advice. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Sometimes the advice puts me off but I don't always have a rational explanation as to why.

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30 Apr 2013, 9:07 pm

I'm trying to wrap my head around this tread. Aspies are in need of an aspie culture. What I don't understand is.
1. What is culture?
2. Why do we need it?
3. Do we create one?
4. Do we adapt one for our use?
5. Does this imply we should perhaps have our own community centers, entire neighborhoods, heroes, elected leaders?

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30 Apr 2013, 9:18 pm

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Fnord wrote:

So what kind of culture do Aspies currently have, and what kind of culture should Aspies embrace?

I don't know if Aspie culture is possible. Aspie identity = yes, I fully embrace that. Culture is tricky because it involves a set of common values and beliefs. One set of such values/beliefs might have to do with autism politics and the pro-cure vs. anti-cure divide. Speaking for myself, I know I wouldn't fit into that because I advocate both sides a little bit, depending on how "cure" is defined and what aspects of the person are in question. I don't fit into groups in terms of anything; I've always been an independent thinker and often voice my opinion, but I don't expect group following because my opinions/values/beliefs aren't even fixed to begin with. I've never ascribed myself to any particular culture, and probably never will.

I think we should have a collective and support each other, but also promote flexibility, acceptance, and adjust ourselves to each other situationally. There can be a set of rules governing such a collective, but the nature of these rules would depend on its size and makeup and would vary from collective to collective. To me, the core values would be 1) as true of a democracy as possible and 2) maximum respect for difference, since we are all so diverse.

I think you need to be careful on what you define as culture the reason I specified a definition in OP was to clarify on this.

Most people think of culture in visible concrete terms. French people are french etc.

Its a concrete view of culture and useful, say when deciding what language to use for a website.

These kind of concrete barriers however are often not the actual culture but in fact are the environment that the culture has adapted too.

Cultural is a fluid and dynamic thing and would need to be exceptionally fluid in any place aspies frequent.

In an aspie culture certain things would be more enabled not less, especially personal freedom and expression. In fact this desire is one of the core reason why I think we need our own culture.

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30 Apr 2013, 9:20 pm

I just don't really see it, there are people on the spectrum in every culture....so how would we make a culture out of a different neurology...we lack a common interest/goal with which to build a culture on.

The similarities between us are caused by neurological dysfunction.....not shared learned behavior.

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30 Apr 2013, 9:37 pm

Fnord wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Fnord wrote:

I've tried to share mine, but people keep pushing back with excuses as to why my productive coping methods would never work for them.

Hmm, are you sure it's just excuses?

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I've read some great ideas here that when I try to implement them leave me a bit of a wreck. Other ideas that have helped a lot.

Isn't that the way our "culture" works?

You do realize that the people that would share your beliefs often don't post here, or if they do they simply avoid the types of discussions where that type of advice would be helpful.

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30 Apr 2013, 9:45 pm

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A desire to function in our day to day lives is relatively constant. We all have dreams and desires, whether we believe they attainable is often not so clear on a board that is primarily a place for coping. But the reality is we can learn a whole lot from each other.

People keep stating the fact that their individualistic, this itself seems to be at the corp of aspies beliefs yet at the same time struggle realize that nts are almost anything but individualistic.

Dealing with individualism itself requires an adaptation method. I can't give you a complete roadmap of how one would deal with this, but I can promise you with increasing communication between aspies a way of dealing with this( a culture) will arise.

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30 Apr 2013, 9:47 pm

Stoek, check this out:

http://www.autreat.com/

It's Autism Network International's homepage. It'll give you at least some of what you are thinking of.

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30 Apr 2013, 10:40 pm

Stoek wrote:

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I thought most people had that desire...I mean that kind of sounds like a basic description of what people in general want for themselves. People on the spectrum tend to have more difficulty with that but its not really a unique want. Also everyone is an individual or can be, a lot of NT's might be sheep but people on the autism spectrum or with other mental disorders/conditions aren't immune to that.

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30 Apr 2013, 10:42 pm

Fnord wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Fnord wrote:

I've tried to share mine, but people keep pushing back with excuses as to why my productive coping methods would never work for them.

Hmm, are you sure it's just excuses?

Verdandi wrote:

I've read some great ideas here that when I try to implement them leave me a bit of a wreck. Other ideas that have helped a lot.

Isn't that the way our "culture" works?

I realize that I and the quoted poster have different views on the impact of social exclusion, through I do agree that many individuals have rejected his good faith advice.

While I believe that a direct discussion of WP's culture might be outside the scope of this thread, I would say that one thing that many might want to see is more honest disscussion of what can be done with our lives.

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30 Apr 2013, 11:17 pm

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I realize that I and the quoted poster have different views on the impact of social exclusion, through I do agree that many individuals have rejected his good faith advice.

Well, that's annoying. I hadn't seen the threads so - I didn't doubt what Fnord said, but it did have me wondering.

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While I believe that a direct discussion of WP's culture might be outside the scope of this thread, I would say that one thing that many might want to see is more honest disscussion of what can be done with our lives.

Yes, most likely, but honest in all ways.

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30 Apr 2013, 11:21 pm

Stoek wrote:

Also the definition highlights an important point is that culture when "shared" is an open ended concept with no right or wrong way of doing something, simply a way more common.

In closing I have to ask why don't people see it that simply?

If individual Aspies want a culture, then that culture needs something to attract other Aspies. That could range from opening a resturant, holding Hamburger fundraisers, founding Stim-Cola bottling, holding an annual picnic, or writing books.

There needs to be something for people to form a positive association with.

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01 May 2013, 12:06 am

I thought we are a purely online culture with little to no culture beyond that.

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01 May 2013, 12:09 am

I would be interested in joining a group of autistic people who are good at creating practical solutions that would help autistic people, but I haven't found these people in autism organizations.

I am not interested in public advocacy or emotional support or personal attention from others to me.

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01 May 2013, 2:58 am

I tend to agree far more with Verdani's points than Fnord's.

I do think there is a culture here, it is the aspie culture at WP. I have not seen any other aspie groups with this level of participation.
It also seems a very a very open, direct and tolerant group given the range of people from various communities, and political leanings around the world. No doubt at least partially thanks to the moderators.

Of course there are people who are going to b*tch about their lot in life, how its too hard to do ... (see Fnord's list).
Its not easy, but being here you can see you are not unique, others have faced the same or similar problems, and are willing to discuss how it affected then and what helped.

I for one, wish I had found this site much earlier.

You have no choice in being born an aspie, who your parents are, how rich they are., what country you are born in, and what religion gets foisted on you at birth.

But this is your life, you only get one chance at it (no-one has come back to contradict that), so make the most of it.

It can be both challenging and fun. Finding WP has definitely make it mor fun.

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01 May 2013, 5:03 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

I totally agree

Many are anti-culture in my opinion

This seems to be an attempt to make us more homogenised and conform to some kind of template version of
an aspie when in reality we are more different than similar

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