ADHD Does Not Exist
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Educational interventions and accomodations.
For example a dyslexic kid would benefit from specialized education in reading, plus allowing him/her to complete assignments without reading.
If a dyslexic kid is goofing off in class because he/she can't do the material, giving that kid a stimulant is not going to help.
But, like Autism HOW is a so called professional who only spends a very small time with a patient supposed to know it's been since childhood, especially with a lack of medical records indicating such. Parents/teachers word? That's not very scientific and highly subjective. As well, I have a real issue with the term "clinically significant impairments". What the heck does that mean exactly? Just because I have a job doesn't mean my ASD is not impairing me from a satisfying career and just because someone has these 'impairments' it isn't necessarily due to ADHD but because they are a spoiled, lazy brat with a large sense of entitlement. I've met many people who are like that and they don't have ADHD even though they were apparently diagnosed.
I lot of "ADHD" kids (and I'm sure I would be in this category if I were 20 years younger) are just bored out of their mind and hate being forced into such an unnatural activity such as an age-segregated classroom.
Haven't read all the posts...my inability to control my focus has expanded past my level of interest. And reading the dribble in that post, pushed me over the edge.
He is both insightful and wrong.
I believe that ADHD is a catch-all diagnosis given to a heterogeneous population with multiple underlying etiologies, much the same that I believe that ASD is a catch-all diagnosis given to heterogeneous population with multiple underlying etiologies. So, he is insightful in understanding that there is no such single thing as ADHD.
He is also right in that I think there are people out there who seek the diagnosis for reasons other than having a true disability. It is an easy excuse. And it is an easy excuse that will give you legal access to stimulant drugs. Nice, right?
But the rest of it is ignorant, IMHO. The fact that he characterizes it as primarily being an inattention thing tells me straight out he does not know what he is talking about. It's an executive dysfunction thing. I pay attention quite well. I just can't control what I pay attention to. I've grown very weary of people who insist on characterizing me as lazy and unmotivated. And I feel downright pissed off when people characterize my son that way. He puts in way more effort than probably 90% of the population, yet he still comes up short.
Yep. He chooses to be that way because he is simply too lazy.
Same judgmental crap that people on the spectrum have to deal with day in and day out.
I will come back and read this thread when I have the bandwidth. Judging by the people who have contributed, I am sure there have been many points made that I would agree with, but do not currently possess the ability to express at the moment.
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OPINION
Raising the Ritalin Generation
By BRONWEN HRUSKA
Published: August 18, 2012
I REMEMBER the moment my son’s teacher told us, “Just a little medication could really turn things around for Will.” We stared at her as if she were speaking Greek.
“Are you talking about Ritalin?” my husband asked.
Will was in third grade, and his school wanted him to settle down in order to focus on math worksheets and geography lessons and social studies. The children were expected to line up quietly and “transition” between classes without goofing around. This posed a challenge — hence the medication.
“We’ve seen it work wonders,” his teacher said. “Will’s teachers are reprimanding him. If his behavior improves, his teachers will start to praise him. He’ll feel better about himself and about school as a whole.”
Will did not bounce off walls. He wasn’t particularly antsy. He didn’t exhibit any behaviors I’d associated with attention deficit or hyperactivity. He was an 8-year-old boy with normal 8-year-old boy energy — at least that’s what I’d deduced from scrutinizing his friends.
“He doesn’t have attention deficit,” I said. “We’re not going to medicate him.”
The teacher looked horrified. “We would never suggest you do that,” she said, despite doing just that in her previous breath. “We aren’t even allowed by law to suggest that. Just get him evaluated.”
And so it began.
Like the teachers, we didn’t want Will to “fall through the cracks.” But what I’ve found is that once you start looking for a problem, someone’s going to find one, and attention deficit has become the go-to diagnosis, increasing by an average of 5.5 percent a year between 2003 and 2007, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. As of 2010, according to the National Health Interview Survey, 8.4 percent, or 5.2 million children, between the ages of 3 and 17 had been given diagnoses of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
What I didn’t know at the time is that there’s no clinical test for it: doctors make diagnoses based on subjective impressions from a series of interviews and questionnaires. Now, in retrospect, I understand why the statistics are so high.
We made an appointment with a psychiatrist on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. After we filled out an extensive questionnaire, she did the interviews and had Will’s teachers fill out short behavior questionnaires, called Conners rating scales, which assess things like “squirminess” on a scale of one to five. In many cases, I discovered, diagnoses hinge on the teachers’ responses.
A few weeks later we heard back. Will had been given a diagnosis of inattentive-type A.D.H.D. It was explained to us this way: Some children who are otherwise focused (Will had been engaged during his interview), have a hard time focusing in “distracting situations” — in Will’s case, school. The doctor prescribed methylphenidate, a generic form of Ritalin. It was not to be taken at home, or on weekends, or vacations. He didn’t need to be medicated for regular life.
It struck us as strange, wrong, to dose our son for school. All the literature insisted that Ritalin and drugs like it had been proved “safe.” Later, I learned that the formidable list of possible side effects included difficulty sleeping, dizziness, vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea, headache, numbness, irregular heartbeat, difficulty breathing, fever, hives, seizures, agitation, motor or verbal tics and depression. It can slow a child’s growth or weight gain. Most disturbing, it can cause sudden death, especially in children with heart defects or serious heart problems.
I consulted our longtime pediatrician, who told me that if Will had A.D.H.D., medication was the only way to give him real relief. I also read through hundreds of online posts, though I stopped after a diatribe about a nation poisoning children’s developing brains.
Meanwhile, Will was sitting out of music class on a regular basis. In addition to hating the recorder, he’d discovered he could get a cute girl to laugh by making funny faces. We decided to trust the doctors and the school. If Will really had A.D.H.D., we should treat it.
Starting in fourth grade, he took his medicine every morning, and he went to the school nurse after lunch for another pill. The doctor raised the dosage until the teachers saw results.
One afternoon, Will told me that during reading period he forgot to talk to his friends. “Everything got really quiet,” he explained. “It was like I was inside the book.” It was what his teachers had wanted. What we’d wanted. For the medication to focus him.
I should have been elated that the problem was so simple to fix. But I wasn’t. I couldn’t help wondering why forgetting to talk to his friends was a good thing and why we were drugging him to become a good student.
At home, he didn’t seem different, just hungry, since he now ate almost nothing at school. When I did some research, I learned that methylphenidate is also prescribed as an appetite suppressant.
The next year, in fifth grade, the pills stopped working. The doctor upped the dosage a few more times, then switched medications twice, but nothing. I thought back to Will’s fourth grade teacher, who had liked him. Then I thought about his current teacher; some of the other parents had complained that she didn’t seem to know what to do with boys at all. Maybe Will’s successful fourth grade year had had less to do with the medication than we’d all believed.
Sometime toward the middle of fifth grade, he simply refused to take the pills. He’d seen a television show about a girl whose parents kicked her out of the house for crushing and snorting her Adderall, and that convinced him that his medication was too dangerous.
THAT was five years ago. Will is about to start his sophomore year of high school. He’s 6 feet 3 inches tall, he’s on the honor roll and he loves school. For him, it was a matter of growing up, settling down and learning how to get organized. Kids learn to speak, lose baby teeth and hit puberty at a variety of ages. We might remind ourselves that the ability to settle into being a focused student is simply a developmental milestone; there’s no magical age at which this happens.
Which brings me to the idea of “normal.” The Merriam-Webster definition, which reads in part “of, relating to, or characterized by average intelligence or development,” includes a newly dirty word in educational circles. If normal means “average,” then schools want no part of it. Exceptional and extraordinary, which are actually antonyms of normal, are what many schools expect from a typical student.
If “accelerated” has become the new normal, there’s no choice but to diagnose the kids developing at a normal rate with a disorder. Instead of leveling the playing field for kids who really do suffer from a deficit, we’re ratcheting up the level of competition with performance-enhancing drugs. We’re juicing our kids for school.
We’re also ensuring that down the road, when faced with other challenges that high school, college and adult life are sure to bring, our children will use the coping skills we’ve taught them. They’ll reach for a pill.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/opini ... wanted=all
Bronwen Hruska is the author of the forthcoming novel “Accelerated.”
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Raising the Ritalin Generation
By BRONWEN HRUSKA
Published: August 18, 2012
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I do not happen to share this one, and am not exactly certain how posting a 3rd party parent's opinion is really relevant. For all I know, this kid was misdiagnosed. This doesn't mean that ADHD is fictitious. I am sure I could find a very similar opinion article written by a parent who was told their child had ASD, when indeed, he or she did not. That doesn't mean ASD does not exist.
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Teachers do push the use of medication to make their jobs a bit easier but there are some children who cannot learn properly without some form of treatment for ADHD treatment. And some teachers truly want to see the children succeed.
My magical age of getting organized was 21 or 22 and I still couldn't focus or remember much of anything. My education was over. Meaning, I had to struggle through two years of community college just to finish.
I won't deny that misdiagnosis' happen but I'm not denying that ADHD exists too.
I do need medication still to do many tasks people usually can do without thinking. I don't work but if I did I would be a nightmare. I would need to be reminded constantly, have things explained carefully and made sure I didn't just give up and wander off.
Not every child will make it on their own and I certainly didn't.
What confuses me about that article is that at the start Will seemed the classic type of ADHD - hyperactivity etc- yet his diagnosed was Inattentive ADHD. This subtype shows very little hyperactivity and impulsivity. He may have been more combined but when you're combined you just get a diagnosis of ADHD and not a sub-type.
My diagnosis of ADHD fits me, answers all the questions to why I did so badly in school, why I seem to appear less intelligent than others and why I really need to work hard to be functional at all everyday. That's all that really matters to me.
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It's interesting how you claim that a diagnostic process that ideally involves examination of school records, interviews with parents if possible, and an "interview process" with the person being diagnosed is "not very scientific" and "highly subjective" but you grant yourself significantly more credibility in identifying people diagnosed with ADHD as being "spoiled, lazy brats with a large sense of entitlement" despite your lack of training and education in psychology in general or any specialization in ADHD.
As far as ADHD goes, it is actually fairly common unfortunately for others to judge people with ADHD as morally deficient - as lazy, as spoiled, as unmotivated, as stupid, etc. because the symptoms themselves often appear that way to others who do not understand it.
As far as clinically significant impairment, it means that the symptoms cause you serious difficulties in two or more areas of your life (in the DSM-IV the list was home, work, and school).
Anyway, your rather ignorant judgmental comments mirror those of radio talk show host Michael Savage's comments about autistic children:
http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/0 ... ent/144072
Where is your evidence for this? That's a popular belief about ADHD but it is not supported by the science.
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This is so wrong you could snap a picture of it, frame the picture, and hang it on the wall in a museum dedicated to "The wrongest wrong things ever said by people who do not hesitate to be wrong" and it would fit right in.
The hypocrisy here is enlightening.
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Raising the Ritalin Generation
By BRONWEN HRUSKA
Published: August 18, 2012
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I do not happen to share this one, and am not exactly certain how posting a 3rd party parent's opinion is really relevant. For all I know, this kid was misdiagnosed. This doesn't mean that ADHD is fictitious. I am sure I could find a very similar opinion article written by a parent who was told their child had ASD, when indeed, he or she did not. That doesn't mean ASD does not exist.
I like the phrase "everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to their own facts." Bronwen Hruska certainly falls into this category. Her understanding of ADHD is about as rigorous and accurate as Jenny McCarthy's understanding of autism etiology.
Raising the Ritalin Generation
By BRONWEN HRUSKA
Published: August 18, 2012
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I do not happen to share this one, and am not exactly certain how posting a 3rd party parent's opinion is really relevant. For all I know, this kid was misdiagnosed. This doesn't mean that ADHD is fictitious. I am sure I could find a very similar opinion article written by a parent who was told their child had ASD, when indeed, he or she did not. That doesn't mean ASD does not exist.
I like the phrase "everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to their own facts." Bronwen Hruska certainly falls into this category. Her understanding of ADHD is about as rigorous and accurate as Jenny McCarthy's understanding of autism etiology.
The story may be an accurate reflection of the facts in her particular son's situation. But to assume that the specific facts that apply to her son apply to everyone with a particular diagnosis is...well...weak.
I also chuckle sometimes about the hypocrisy I see. If you substituted ASD for the ADHD in most of Hruska's story and posted it on this forum, there would be a huge outcry.
I am so tired of people who want to call me lazy that I rarely even respond to it anymore. I do get very riled up, though, when someone wants to apply the term to my son. It infuriates me because no one sees how much he struggles. And sadly, he has started to adopt the language, saying "I am lazy."
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Yeah, I was thinking of her son and Jenny McCarthy's child specifically when I made the comparison.
I totally agree. I commented about this on the other thread. There seems to be more than a few people on this forum who are quite militant about the validity and severity of ASDs but are quick to throw people with ADHD under the bus without really trying to understand ADHD.
I think it's more like your username - "InThisTogether." That is, that disability is disability. Everyone's disabilities are not the same but everyone who is disabled deals with difficulties that abled people do not. There's no need to pick and choose who gets to be "really disabled" and who has fake diagnoses/disorders that don't really count.
When I was a child I most frequently heard I was lazy and stupid, and it stuck with me for a long time. My parents would even joke about it right in front of me and it had a detrimental effect on my self image.
I hope your son either doesn't really believe that he's lazy or that he's just saying that as a joke. Internalizing that belief can be so damaging. One thing I found that helped me was this post:
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2 ... -my-phone/
Before she even gets to the point of describing ADHD, she immediately debunks several things. This paragraph on trying was important to me:
My kids' pediatric neurologist says "ADHD is not about knowing what to do. It's about doing what you know." I have never seen it summed up so simply before.
Yes. I know how to pay my bills on time. Yes. I know how to mark a deadline on my calendar. Yes. I know how to break a job down into it's subsequent tasks. Yes. I know how to hang my keys on the hook by the door. How to make lists. How to check the things on my list off. How to actually put the hem on the outfit that I designed and sewed by myself. How to put the clasp on the necklace I designed and made. How to read a calendar to know it is my mom's birthday. I know how to do all of these things. And if you held a gun to my head and demanded that I explain why I still don't do them, I would not be able to do it. I don't know how to explain it.
But the fact that I can't put in to words what happens in my head doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. I have dozens of almost completed sewing and craft projects around my house. Clothes that my daughter grew out of before I ever finished them, even though all that was left was a button or a hem. I have had more than one really good entrepreneurial idea that I never acted on, even one where someone else had gone out and found financial backers for me. I have research I conducted that would have undoubtedly been published if only I bothered to make the last set of revisions. I have days where I have lists of things that need to be done, but they don't get done because I spend the entire day organizing my pantry and my linen closet, two things that were not on my list. I have work undone because a small piece of paper in one of the many piles on my desk had a phone number on it that I didn't know where it came from, and so I researched who's it was and how I might have possibly gotten it. I can be reminded to call an important vendor about an urgent issue and have 2 hours pass and leave work and only remember that I didn't call them at 11:00 p.m. It's a never ending list of things that are undone or only half done.
And to be told I am lazy...I wish it was that I was lazy, because I think I could probably fix that with a few consequences. The truth is, though, that consequences sometimes do not help. Just as a "0" does not remind my son to turn in the homework that he spent an hour doing.
I chose my screen name because I want my kids to know that no matter what happens, I will be with them. No matter how hard or confusing it gets, I will always be by their side. The truth is, my parents passed a lot of judgment on me as a child. The silver lining is that after my son was diagnosed with ADHD and my parents read up on it, one day my mom called me out of the blue and said they were sorry. They didn't know. They didn't understand. They didn't have information back then, and when I was a kid, ADHD was something delinquent boys had.
35 years later, people carry just as much ignorance.
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He is still wrong, because...
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/495640_3
ADHD does have more than one possible etiology, but ADHD is still one thing. It can be caused or triggered by many different factors, some of which are mentioned in that article, but it is still ADHD.
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My mother will never apologize. She just makes excuses as to why she refused to have me evaluated or diagnosed and how she only meant the best. That's great, but I wish she would at least acknowledge she made a mistake and own it. And I am talking about autism here, and not just ADHD.
I've seen that phrase before, from Dr. Russell Barkley.
I'm glad you're in solidarity with your children. That's something I think I don't see in enough parents.
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