Differences between NT geeks and people who are autistic
Autism, Geeks, and Nerds, are three very different groups with a very wide spectrum of identification.
As such, it makes it impossible to typecast them all under one broad term.
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Um...hm. Well,I don't like the term "geek" to mean "nerd" as I know too much about carnivals (don't ask) and the term geek has an unsavory meaning that doesn't have much to do with nerds.
If we're talking about NERDS...I think if you took a group of NT nerds and a group of autistic nerds and asked each to write a list of 10 or even 20 things that are important to them, I would think that the NT nerds would be less likely to put their nerd interests on the list. When they did put them on the list, I think they would be further down, as in not thought of immediately. I think autistic nerds would think of their interests quickly, perhaps before thinking of traditional "important" things such as "my country" or "my religion."
So even if the nerd interests are kept active for the NT nerd, I think there is a lesser depth? to them than in an autistic nerd. The interest has less meaning? If you asked me, What does Star Trek mean to you? my response may not be as rich as an autistic person's.
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NT geeks: same as any NT - engage in social play, imaginative play, no evidence of restrictive and repetitive behaviour, no evidence of impaired social communication, no evidence of impaired imagination, no evidence of sensory sensitivity, no delays in development
ASD: does not do social/imaginative play, constant restrictive and repetitive behaviour - lining, stacking, collecting, and very rigid, has sensory problems, impaired social communication - reserved to the point of no interest in interaction, or talks at others, not to them.
They're nothing alike. The social awkwardness from NT geeks is that their interests are different from their non-nerdy peers, the social awkwardness in ASD is being developmentally behind in social communication. The obsessions may seems similar, but a geek it's a side interest to life which they can stop and start when appropriate, but in ASD it could take up the whole day if a parent allowed it to, and stopping them suddenly won't go well but would be fine in a geek.
The only similarities are social awkwardness and obsessions so at a glance they may look similar, but they're not the same at all.
I am pretty sure I took part in imaginary play, didn't necessarily have constant repetitive behavior and was interested in interacting with people but didn't know how to go about it or have issues initiating interaction. So that analysis may not quite describe everyone on the spectrum, also not so sure its being 'behind' but rather just that we interact differently.
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I am pretty sure I took part in imaginary play, didn't necessarily have constant repetitive behavior and was interested in interacting with people but didn't know how to go about it or have issues initiating interaction. So that analysis may not quite describe everyone on the spectrum, also not so sure its being 'behind' but rather just that we interact differently.
I've always been an imaginative individual. I didn't have issues talking but I've always had issues starting convos.
Also I am "behind" but that might be something else.
Potato. Tomato. It's the same thing.
I'm fine with abnormal, because I am.
Good for you!
However, young children pick up on some people's usage of, "abnormal" to have some really negative connotations & it makes them give up on themselves.
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However, young children pick up on some people's usage of, "abnormal" to have some really negative connotations & it makes them give up on themselves.
Perhaps people should educate said kids that abnormal is a negative and a positive depending on how you look at it, rather than trying to shield them from reality.
Doing the latter just makes people that are already vulnerable more vulnerable. No PC person is around when you actually need them (I'm sure everyone knows this, let alone us "special" people).
If we're talking about NERDS...I think if you took a group of NT nerds and a group of autistic nerds and asked each to write a list of 10 or even 20 things that are important to them, I would think that the NT nerds would be less likely to put their nerd interests on the list. When they did put them on the list, I think they would be further down, as in not thought of immediately. I think autistic nerds would think of their interests quickly, perhaps before thinking of traditional "important" things such as "my country" or "my religion."
So even if the nerd interests are kept active for the NT nerd, I think there is a lesser depth? to them than in an autistic nerd. The interest has less meaning? If you asked me, What does Star Trek mean to you? my response may not be as rich as an autistic person's.
Thing is, there's an element of tradition to all of this. Star trek has been around since the sixties, computing arguably dates back to the antikythera mechanism, or cuneiform scribes inventing zero. What's the real bifurcation here? Willingness to cut gear teeth? Just what is it that's so earth-shakingly postmodern and left-field about building things and pondering the future?
However, young children pick up on some people's usage of, "abnormal" to have some really negative connotations & it makes them give up on themselves.
Perhaps people should educate said kids that abnormal is a negative and a positive depending on how you look at it, rather than trying to shield them from reality.
Doing the latter just makes people that are already vulnerable more vulnerable. No PC person is around when you actually need them (I'm sure everyone knows this, let alone us "special" people).
Regardless of my abnormalities I'm keener on hanging around fun people than PC people. I don't see political correctness having anything to do with intelligence or kindness. Sometimes it aligns with kindness but it supresses all kinds of dialogues.
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The differences between a nerdy aspie and a nerdy N.T.:
- Nerdy N.T's joke about how 'socially awkward lulz' they are on the internet because they accidentally said 'you too' to someone who wished them a happy birthday.
They don't realize awkwardness is pretty much socially acceptable in today's society and plenty of nerdy/geeky/awkward people can make friends easily.
They also don't realize what TRUE awkwardness and social difficulty is.
These 'super awkward' people will claim to be awkward with their big 5-20 person friend crowd while us aspies are left to struggle to make any friends or socialize with our 2-3 person stoner/loser group.
- Nerdy N.T's also joke about their introversion. 'Lol I hate people I'd rather spend my weekends netflixing because I hate parties and I'm awkward lulz'.
Nerdy aspies again actually have difficulties - we don't avoid parties because we 'hate people lulz' it's because of sensory issues, we actually have severe anxiety and can't handle ourselves in many situations. We don't stay home on weekends 'because netflix and people suck lolz', we do it because we have to actually mentally and emotionally recharge.
- Nerdy N.T's still have decent/standard social skills in most areas of life and will make it pretty far.
- Again, nerdy aspies find it difficult.
- Nerdy N.T's are 'such a nerd/geek lulz' even though they like some of, if not the trendiest, most popular things of the millenial generation. Star Trek, Anime, Star Wars, Superhero films, Young Adult fiction, Fantasy books, modern Doctor Who, Sherlock, etc.
It's 'cool' and 'hip' to be a nerd today, and yet they still act like they're a 'total weirdo for liking these things.'.
- The nerdy aspie, however, likes genuinely obscure or unpopular interests. Science, mathematics, technology, philosophy, psychology, politics, etc.
- Some nerdy aspies may fit the nerd steretype, but nerdy N.Ts will almost never understand the genuine struggle we suffer from.
Being a "geek" is a lifestyle, whereas ASD is a disability, which inherently means a person has a deficiency that is not the result of a personal choice (like a lifestyle is a choice). Still not entirely sure the difference between a geek and a nerd. A person chooses to like comic book conventions... they don't choose to have social, cognitive and learning deficits.
The two can't even be compared. Geeks are people who ascribe to geek culture. Geeks can be both Neurotypical and Autistic. One is born autistic, and has inborn characteristics. The ability to hyper focus, lack of eye contact, preference for solitary activities. It's just basic hardware in our neurology, it doesn't influence our interests, that's determined by nurture. If someone was born autistic 1000 years ago they wouldn't be interested in Star Wars.
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