Social rehearsal: Society anxiety vs Autism
Marybird wrote:
selin wrote:
Marybird wrote:
I rehearse how to talk about a topic that interests me, whether or not I will ever get an opportunity to talk about it.
I'm not sure if this is social rehearsal. I really don't put too much importance on the social aspect of things and don't think it out ahead of time.
I don't know what to expect and wouldn't know how to rehearse something like that anyway.
I'm not sure if this is social rehearsal. I really don't put too much importance on the social aspect of things and don't think it out ahead of time.
I don't know what to expect and wouldn't know how to rehearse something like that anyway.
if you don't mind me asking, are you on the spectrum?
Yes, of course I am.
Sorry sometimes people who aren't on the spectrum post on this site too.
InsomniaGrl wrote:
selin wrote:
Social rehearsal occurs in both social anxiety and autism.
Autistic people can also have social anxiety as an outcome of their social difficulties.
However, what do you think is the difference between the way nonautistic socially anxious people rehearse situations and the way autistic people rehearse them?
Autistic people can also have social anxiety as an outcome of their social difficulties.
However, what do you think is the difference between the way nonautistic socially anxious people rehearse situations and the way autistic people rehearse them?
Hi Selin. I think thats a good question, if you identify with with ASD, is social rehearsal any different or necessary for people who have ASD compared with who are NT? I think social rehearsal is the same for both, it is done usually to create an impression or effect on another person. People with ASD commonly feel pressured to orchestrate what they consider to be an 'appropriate' response in social.
Creating the response can lead to anxiety, as maintaining the 'appropriate' response, or failing to do so, becomes the preoccupation as you try to mould yourself, using thoughts, to 'become' what you think is correct. The thoughts, and maintaining these thoughts, can become more important than appearing 'acceptable' or 'correct' to begin with.
Autistic people may feel trapped in the maintaining the 'correct' thought process, more so than NT's who may be more concerned with appearing a certain way in public and less so with the thoughts needed to sustain it.
I think this may be because autistic have a less clear idea of what exactly the behaviour is in the social interaction which they want to perform.
If an NT (and i don't really like using such strict distinction, but for the purposes of this i am) socially rehearses something, then why are they doing it? It is mostly for acceptance, or perhaps manipulation. Because NT's are generally more adept at usual social interaction, they may still fail completely, but are less likely to get caught up in the mechanics of producing 'acceptable' social responses. It is more likely to be in more one off situations, or a phase, or if prolonged it may be born out of a belief they must keep up a particular appearance, out of learnt insecurities, or wanting to keep up an appearance to manipulate others.
Rehearing for things like doctors for people with ASD may be partly for reasons mentioned, but rehearsing what you are going to say can be useful, as there is only a short amount of time with a doctor. At a doctors and in some specific situations it is appropriate to be a little rehearsed sometimes.
People with ASD are commonly at little more in their own heads. Peoples personalities are in part only a reaction to emotional responses in a given situation. Animals have personalities in much the same way. Its not a fixed thing that can be defined, but they react and personalties can be assigned to them. If someone is thinking, and not reacting, less personality may be perceived by the viewer. Personality can oil the wheels of social interaction, even if perceived personalities are in conflict, it is still generally considered to be fluid or flowing.
It can be of perverse comfort to believe it is possible to socially rehearse a personality, or way of being for the onlooker to notice. Not having a true self is a root of all human beings fears, ASD and NT.
Living and interacting without social rehearsal can be harder for the autistic, as typically there is less simple responding and more thinking.
An autistic person who stops socially rehearsing, will have more fun and appear to be more comfortable in themselves. If someone with ASD does not copy or rehearse how they think they should appear, they can feel more at ease, and the feelings and responses they actually do have will come through, which is better than pretending, for them, and for socialising in general.
I fail when I don't rehearse. I've been told I don't have a personality. I think it has more to do with how emotionally expressive you are and body language and being spontaneous then whether or not you rehearse.
I have no idea about the differences. But I have to rehearse everything with the exceptions of some conversations with close family members. I also loop through conversations and daily events for things to practice. Also, it may be that people on the spectrum have have no natural rhythms and give and take, whereas an NT with social anxiety would still be able to function normally (Processing facial, verbal cues, keeping up with conversations, etc.) even if stifled a bit by awkwardness.
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RAADS-R -- 213.3
FQ -- 18.7
EQ -- 13
Aspie Quiz -- 186 out of 200
AQ: 42
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zkydz wrote:
I have no idea about the differences. But I have to rehearse everything with the exceptions of some conversations with close family members. I also loop through conversations and daily events for things to practice. Also, it may be that people on the spectrum have have no natural rhythms and give and take, whereas an NT with social anxiety would still be able to function normally (Processing facial, verbal cues, keeping up with conversations, etc.) even if stifled a bit by awkwardness.
What makes it easier for you with close family members?
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InsomniaGrl wrote:
What makes it easier for you with close family members?
I've known them for 50 years and they're used to my quirks. Helps that my Father and Brother are even more extreme than me. But it is all relative (no pun intended) It may be easier with them, but it can still be a strain. Especially with my children. I just get all clammed up and have a hard time saying things right (I just get all overwrought trying to say the right things) or, can go all 'Aspie Dad' on them. More forceful than needed or trying to get all analytical and critical..."So, let me tell you how you could do this...Step (1)...", "Dad!! I called to vent, NOT to be told what to do!!"woops........
Edit....And, it does help that my aunt and I share one of my special interests, art, or we have boring conversations (Which is true). I also live about a thousand miles from my nearest relative....that helps a LOT! ! LOL
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Diagnosed April 14, 2016
ASD Level 1 without intellectual impairments.
RAADS-R -- 213.3
FQ -- 18.7
EQ -- 13
Aspie Quiz -- 186 out of 200
AQ: 42
AQ-10: 8.8
C2V wrote:
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Ashariel wrote:
Mine tend to be with doctors, trying to convince them that I actually need help, and that I'm not just faking my symptoms for attention (because that's been a lifelong problem for me).
Yeah what is that about. Why do they think anybody would fake symptoms? Doctors often seem to just disregard any personal insight. Psychiatrists arer the worst they seem to just want to medicate symptoms.
Mine tend to be with doctors, trying to convince them that I actually need help, and that I'm not just faking my symptoms for attention (because that's been a lifelong problem for me).
Yeah what is that about. Why do they think anybody would fake symptoms? Doctors often seem to just disregard any personal insight. Psychiatrists arer the worst they seem to just want to medicate symptoms.
I don't get it either, but during my illness I had a nasty theory about this. I started pushing for a cure, a permanent fix. Doctors kept telling me I needed to "manage the symptoms," not fix the problem. Which keeps you coming back for appointments, keeps you buying medications, kept me yoyoing back into hospital, keeps everyone in business. You get the problem fixed, and that's the end of it. As to faking it, I suppose there are people who do this (hypochondriacs, people with Münchausen syndrome, people scamming insurance companies, etc) but they have got to be a minority. The patient knows their own body, and it is their life. "Gate keeping" blows.
Yeah even I as a hypochondriac am not faking it. I'm one of the biggest ones around but it doesn't mean that I'm always wrong. Just because I have anxiety doesn't mean they know my body better than me. Also what they don't seem to realize/care about is that anxiety can cause a real physical illness. I was able to pick up on the fact that something was really wrong that it wasn't just my mind playing tricks on me. The unfortunate thing is I got diagnosed and all I got out of it was a standard guidelines sheet and a script. The doctors kept saying to me I have to take the medicine. Since I have anxiety though that makes it hard to figure out on my own how to fix it.
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