*sigh* "I guess we're ALL autistic!"
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I feel that what people with a formal diagnosis of ASD needs to keep in mind if they meet someone who makes the statement "we are all autistic" or "they say we are all of the Autistic Spectrum"
While there is some truth in these statements, I feel that such statements are similar in nature to the broad statements that are made by the medical community about mental health, in that all people have a predisposition to suffer from various mental health ailments in lesser or greater degrees.
I am not saying that all people have significant mental health problems, just that all human beings have their own presentation of symptoms that make them fall into one or more areas of mental health symptoms, in varying degrees dependent on the individual. With each presentation of symptoms being only significant if the symptoms become an issue for that individual during their life.
So, keeping this in mind.
What is important is to keep in mind with regards to the statement that all human beings are thought to be "on the spectrum" is that this statement is true, while at the same time needs to be placed in context.
Yes. we all suffer from Autistic traits, however for Autistic Spectrum Disorder problems to be of significant level in medical terms and thus warrant a formal diagnosis that bears the name ASD, an individuals ASD symptoms needs to be of a significant level that causes excessive detrimental effect on that persons ability to cope with the various demands of their normal life.
I guess a comparison is like the old "stress" analogy. Imagine, a person walks into their doctors surgery who is suffering from an acute anxiety attack, and tells their doctor that they are suffering from stress.
The doctor turns around and says, "well we all suffer from stress, why do you think you deserve special treatment?"
Yes, all human beings even the most robust human beings, suffer or experience at some point in their lives "stress", however whether that stress has a significant impact on a persons ability to cope with normal life determines as to whether someone is suffering from an anxiety disorder or not.
Not everyone that has every experienced stress will be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. Not everyone who suffers from stress in any shape or form will have an anxiety disorder.
This is similar to the fact that everyone suffers from some autistic traits, however, not everyone has ASD.
Hope that helps.
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Saying that is often an underhanded way of saying stop being lazy try harder.
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I wish very much people were to say this to me. In this case they would give me a chance to try harder -- which means they would invite me to things. But, the way it stands, people don't want me to try harder, they just assume I am incapable, so they never invite me anywhere, and this becomes self fulfilling prophecy.
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I wish very much people were to say this to me. In this case they would give me a chance to try harder -- which means they would invite me to things. But, the way it stands, people don't want me to try harder, they just assume I am incapable, so they never invite me anywhere, and this becomes self fulfilling prophecy.
Try harder
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DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.
“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman
I think the problem is somehow finding a way around the fact that NTs tend to speak indirectly. Everything has to have a hidden meaning. If I talk about what's hard in my life, they tend to think I'm saying my life is harder than theirs. I can never mean simply what I am saying. I would guess this is partly what they're hearing when you say you have autism. And since autism, in their minds, is going to be defined solely as a negative thing, they probably think you are trying to complain instead of trying to explain yourself. So they want to make you feel better, even though that's not what you're looking for. Maybe it would help to start by describing your difficulties (i.e. sensory issues) first, and explaining them as part of autism last? So many people think they know what ASD is, even though they don't, that opening with terms like "autistic" or "on the spectrum" can be counterproductive.
Of course, someone who thinks we're all a little blind is a moron.
I think this is one of the keys to the kingdom in terms of understanding the communication difficulty between autistic people and NTs.
NTs never take anything at face value. In fact, probably 80% of NT communication is implications, and the specific words actually said are often little more than the vehicle for the delivery of the subtle implied message.
For autistic people, there is usually not some implication beyond the words that they are saying. If there is, the proportions are flipped, and it is only 20% of the message at most.
The other day I posted here about someone who, hearing I'm on the spectrum, said "I have a relative who says autism is being over-diagnosed."
Yeah, so helpful and understanding.
Today, someone else asked me "Just what does 'autism' mean?"
I explained to them the bad neuro-wiring, the bad effect it has on natural "mechanisms" involved in socially connecting, overall communication, how it messes with sensory input and can lead to being easily fatigued...
The response was "Oh. Well, I guess we're all a little autistic".
I asked "So we're also all blind?"
The reply? "Yes."
These people who try to water everything down and...I don't know...smooth out human differences...
We're all blind? I'm sure blind people would appreciate someone being so understanding of their needs and circumstances.
I sort of clammed up when they said "Yes" because obviously this person just doesn't get it that there ARE disabilities and that they DO have impact, sometimes SERIOUS impact on someone's life.
Just like with the other day and the "over-diagnosed" comment, I'm not sure how to deal with people like this.
Again, any suggestions?
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I think the problem is somehow finding a way around the fact that NTs tend to speak indirectly. Everything has to have a hidden meaning. If I talk about what's hard in my life, they tend to think I'm saying my life is harder than theirs. I can never mean simply what I am saying. I would guess this is partly what they're hearing when you say you have autism. And since autism, in their minds, is going to be defined solely as a negative thing, they probably think you are trying to complain instead of trying to explain yourself. So they want to make you feel better, even though that's not what you're looking for. Maybe it would help to start by describing your difficulties (i.e. sensory issues) first, and explaining them as part of autism last? So many people think they know what ASD is, even though they don't, that opening with terms like "autistic" or "on the spectrum" can be counterproductive.
Of course, someone who thinks we're all a little blind is a moron.
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The reply? "Yes."
Actually I agree with this! If you go by the eye chart, the 20/20 is not the perfect vision: the 20/10 is. So the vast majority of people have vision slightly imperfect. But then we can go a bit further and say that 20/10 is not a perfect vision either: they simply didn't bother including 20/5 since too few people would qualify for it. Now, having imperfect vision is a mild version of being blind. After all if your vision is worse than 20/200 then you are legally blind. So if you put "worse than 20/200" and "better than 20/10" on the same spectrum, then yes we are all blind.
And with autism it is the same concept. Back in the 60-s the people that are Asperger today would have been considered to be NT. And, conversely, if you take someone who is considered NT today, but is an introvert, maybe that person will be an aspie in one of the new manuals. Who knows. So yes its all relative.
A very good way of illustrating this point is AQ test ( https://psychology-tools.com/test/autis ... m-quotient ), where everyone has some AQ, just some people have higher than others
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"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."
Wreck It Ralph
Someone posted this on another thread. It is one of my very favorite videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWnyDvG7XEk
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I think that it comes from the fact that a lot of our symptoms are found in the non autistic population, but for us, we need at least 5 and they must be clinical. In that regard I can understand where the confusion comes from, but it's still a rude and flawed view. Adhd is also treated the same.
I.e.:
Lucy the nt is an introverted, she has a hard time coming out of her shell.
Bobie the aspie has
-trouble making eye contact, more than a few seconds will make him gag
-he doesn't understand proper timing in social situation, he will fail to make friends or drive potential ones away because of it
-he loves ww2 planes plays way too much, he has 252 miniature models, 5 rc planes and can tell you the specs for each planes.
-he has a very specific way to lock the doors at work before he leaves or he has to do it again
-He chooses very carefully the time he will go shopping because he gets overwhelmed by sound easily
The problem is that everyone feels or experiences tiny variations of what we go through every now and then from time to time and usually it is only one thing at a time in very small degrees. What makes us Autistic is that we experience extreme variations of multiples of those issues all the time and at the same time in debilitating, impairing, or even crippling degrees.
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