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05 Jan 2021, 7:11 pm

The way some NTs minds work is if you react to their ignorance (for example, by throwing bottles at them), the more they're going to do it. So the more you throw bottles out the window at them then the more they're going to treat it like it's a game and keep driving by again and again on their loud motorcycles. They don't care how you're feeling. How you're feeling doesn't matter to them. They're just getting cheap entertainment out of you. So, stop entertaining the jerks and deal with the situation properly. If the police or whatever other authorities you've complained to before aren't taking you seriously then just keep complaining by writing letters and phoning up constantly. Or maybe put cameras up to get some proof. They'll soon sort it out.


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08 Jan 2021, 5:14 pm

One way to look at it is that the motorbike noise is intermittent, but the cacophony in jail is constant. Don't jump from frying pan to fire.



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08 Jan 2021, 5:27 pm

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Hello Weirdness.

I am here to try and help.
I don't think you really explained yourself very well when you started this post.

It reads basically like this.... these people I hate, who i think are morons, so i threw bottles at them...
Doesn't sound good on your part.

If you perhaps explained a little a bit first about how Autism Spectrum Disorder affects you, (and please feel free to copy what i have written if you need to explain yourself to anyone in authority, such as security guards, law enforcement agents / police, lawyers, judges, medical staff...

Anyway, please explain you suffer from misophonia (low tolerance to auditory sensory information in combination with inability to filter out auditory information which causes you extreme distress if you are in a "busy" auditory environment where there are more than one auditory sensory sound source, but also you have a sensitivity to certain auditory stimuli, for example, motorcycle noise) which is a protected characteristic of the recognised neurological developmental disorder and disability that you suffer from which of course is called Autism Spectrum Disorder.

So, various circumstances where you are exposed to auditory sensory information in various environments inevitably "triggers" adverse and unavoidable behavioural effects in you which are unavoidable due to being caused by the abnormal neurological presentation found in your Autistic brain.

People with this dynamic or paradigm of symptoms make up the substantial number among people with a formal diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder, so are well known of by specialist clinical psychologists who specialise in this area, with substantial research papers documenting this exact problem.

In short, if you are exposed to certain "triggers", on a bad day, these triggers will cause you to have what are known as Autism Spectrum Disorder Sensory Overload "meltdowns", which can result in causes you to exhibit what looks like tantrum or antisocial behaviour, which once triggered, you have very little control over until the "meltdown" has dissipated. This meltdown phenomena can cause you to exhibit what looks like antisocial behaviour, but as mentioned previously, it is not, but instead a hard to avoid neurological reaction that causes what looks like tantrum like behaviour.

The difference between meltdowns and tantrums however needs to be established as it is significant.

Tantrums are antisocial behaviours that are acted out out of choice, often, when children want attention.

ASD Sensory Overload Meltdowns however, although can look identical to a tantrum to the onlooker,
are in fact completely different, and are involuntary neurological reactions caused by circumstances / conditions which usually include various sensory triggers.

From the uneducated outsiders perspective, both behaviour exhibited may appear to be the same in nature.
But the cause is different, with one being a chosen behaviour, and the other being a behaviour triggered by dysfunctional neurology / brain damage when combined with certain conditions or circumstances.

That all said and done, I recommend that you try your best to avoid throwing bottles, as people really do get murdered, and this is something I have seen over the years at big music festivals. I believe a number of rockstar's over the years have been murdered by a bottle being thrown at their head while they are performing.

Yes. please try your best not to throw bottles, as no one will look favourably towards you even though you suffer from an incurable disorder that causes meltdowns.

If you can, try and avoid your triggers.
Hope what i have written helps.

BTW I also suffer from acute auditory hypersensitivity, with low tolerance to volume, hypersensitivity to certain frequencies, as well as having an inability to filter out auditory stimuli when placed in a "busy" auditory environment.

I know, it sucks, especially as no one seems to care and very few people understand, especially in housing and other areas of essential life. That is a big part as to why we are disabled and not normal and I guess that is why many of us are eligible for disability benefit.

Hopefully the knowledge base will get better as time goes on and people will make more allowances or at least give us quality purpose built housing which will at least give us a sanctuary from noise.

... ... ...

Very thorough information above...Thank you...This reminded me about the first gift i gave my beloved Aspie during our courtship...It was a set of ear caps, the orange kind...I am very observant...And i had noticed that each time my van would make a excruciating noise, my beloved Aspie would cringe...At present-time, he is not as sensitive to noises as he was back then...Something that i try to help him avoid...



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08 Jan 2021, 7:58 pm

F*ck everyone who thinks I should be a victim! F*ck you pieces of s**t!

Only a few who tried to be understanding. madbutnotmad explained it (and you mention I should explain how I'm sensitive? But here I thought it's a forum for people who are sensitive... my bad; also, misophonia is usually to ordinary sounds, not the worst noise possible), but I'm still not sure why on earth I shouldn't react against the terror you did describe (also, the bottles are plastic, so not a high chance of severe injuries, but if he dropped off the bike then it's not my damn fault he wants to be a cowboy in a damn alley, and do I've been using this method for years now, and so far it's succeeded in at least making these selfish morons realize something is terribly wrong, as clearly they don't understand language)... and Dear_one, unless bikes can fit there then no, I don't think it'd be worse...

And I'm just saying it worked... literally, hasn't been near for weeks ago. So anyone who thinks a**holes should win F*CK YOU!



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08 Jan 2021, 8:19 pm

Hey mate
I don't think the others (nor me) thinks your an a hole mate.

I think that others are concerned that you may hurt someone when angry
which will reflect badly on you dude

as that is how people think in the world.

To be completely honest with you, we are disabled in a world that can't see or understand our disability.
Because they don't understand or see our disability, like you would do with a blind person or a person in a wheel chair.
People carry on acting like they do around normal people. and don't really understand why they should make allowances.

So if you kick off with them, due to the suffering that they are causing you (which i completely understand)
but they don't see, then if you react, and do something like throw a bottle during a sensory overload or in retaliation due to being fed up

they are going get the police or doctors to section you, as in most 1st world countries they can do that
if they think you are a danger to yourself or others.

Which you want to avoid dude. I have never been to prison but have been through the legal process of court and being put in police custody in the overnight holding cells and it sucks.

What sucks also is how much such things costs in terms of the legal process involved.
As lawyers cost a fortune.

It is also really stressful worrying about what is going to happen in court etc.
and if you do get charged with something, then you got to tell people for the rest of your life that you have a criminal record which also sucks.

If you get put in a adult psych ward, then that is also crap. As they are usually full of nut cases, but also the places are often really boring, where they drug you up on crap drugs that turn you into a zombie and you get your freedom taking away from you. And get baby sat for the time in there.

I have never been sectioned, did spend a couple of days voluntarily once many years ago, and thought it was crap.

If you cause an offence such as hurting someone seriously during a meltdown they may even put you in prison
which would be a living nightmare, as would be a lot more abusive environment full of bullies
and people who will intentionally do things to wind you up to try and make your head explode

I don't think people with ASD have the skills / attributes to survive in such an environment
at least without turning into a complete psycho yourself

i know if i got put in prison i probably would have to go into solitary permanently
as otherwise i would probably end up really hurting people around me if they aggravate my condition and i cant escape them peacefully

my brother went to prison years ago for 3 years
went in a peace loving hippy
came out wanting to steal, stab, murder,
what a nightmare, and the prison in the island i live is tiny and rubbish / safe
compared to real prison

so dude
were not being horrible to you dude
were looking out for you by trying to get you to stop throwing bottles etc

as we don't want you to end up getting hurt in the long term

dude. if you are on antidepressants
some newer ones can make sensory problems worse

that is what i have been through, that is why i understand
as i have lived what you are going through

try get a doctor to review your meds if you are on any
and get you off any med that increases noradrenaline (example SSNRI)
Venlafaxine and Cymbalta are two expamples

In my experience
old fashion antidepressants such as Clomipromine is miles better
doesn't stimulate noradrenaline

and slightly sedates
so slows the mind down

doesn't cure sensory problems
but doesn't cause hyper vigilance or aggression

hope that helps



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08 Jan 2021, 8:30 pm

As mentioned, unless bikes are somehow allowed there nothing could be worse than what I had here. Literally less than a meter away. So, unless they magically ride them in the corridor in the middle, yep, my home was officially worse than a goddamn jail... so, honestly, if society is so sh***y that the only alternative is that then I'd take it anyway. I had to take my chances anyway, and it seems this worked, as the guy only needed one throw attempt to never come again. And no, I'm under no medication, and no headphones can magically get rid of the worst noise possible (tried heavy metal at full volume)... so, yep, I had to take chances and it seems to have worked in my favour, but either way I was prepared for any possible violence (they'd be deluded if they thought I won't retaliate, but hey, they backed down, it's been weeks now...)



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08 Jan 2021, 9:32 pm

OK...well, good for you then.

But if throwing bottles worked then why are you ranting about it so much?


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08 Jan 2021, 9:51 pm

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As mentioned, unless bikes are somehow allowed there nothing could be worse than what I had here. Literally less than a meter away. So, unless they magically ride them in the corridor in the middle, yep, my home was officially worse than a goddamn jail... so, honestly, if society is so sh***y that the only alternative is that then I'd take it anyway. I had to take my chances anyway, and it seems this worked, as the guy only needed one throw attempt to never come again. And no, I'm under no medication, and no headphones can magically get rid of the worst noise possible (tried heavy metal at full volume)... so, yep, I had to take chances and it seems to have worked in my favour, but either way I was prepared for any possible violence (they'd be deluded if they thought I won't retaliate, but hey, they backed down, it's been weeks now...)


Are you able to move?
If you are willing to go to gaol/jail, you are willing to live under a bridge, surely.
Presumably, you can do much better than 'under a bridge'. 8)



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09 Jan 2021, 1:12 am

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F*ck everyone who thinks I should be a victim! F*ck you pieces of s**t!

Only a few who tried to be understanding. madbutnotmad explained it (and you mention I should explain how I'm sensitive? But here I thought it's a forum for people who are sensitive... my bad; also, misophonia is usually to ordinary sounds, not the worst noise possible), but I'm still not sure why on earth I shouldn't react against the terror you did describe (also, the bottles are plastic, so not a high chance of severe injuries, but if he dropped off the bike then it's not my damn fault he wants to be a cowboy in a damn alley, and do I've been using this method for years now, and so far it's succeeded in at least making these selfish morons realize something is terribly wrong, as clearly they don't understand language)... and Dear_one, unless bikes can fit there then no, I don't think it'd be worse...

And I'm just saying it worked... literally, hasn't been near for weeks ago. So anyone who thinks as*holes should win F*CK YOU!


No one is saying you should be a victim. We're just telling you to not act in a way that will make you a violent perpetrator at risk of facing criminal charges. If you think your life is hell now, try a prison stint.


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09 Jan 2021, 11:49 am

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F*ck everyone who thinks I should be a victim! F*ck you pieces of s**t!

Only a few who tried to be understanding. madbutnotmad explained it (and you mention I should explain how I'm sensitive? But here I thought it's a forum for people who are sensitive... my bad; also, misophonia is usually to ordinary sounds, not the worst noise possible), but I'm still not sure why on earth I shouldn't react against the terror you did describe (also, the bottles are plastic, so not a high chance of severe injuries, but if he dropped off the bike then it's not my damn fault he wants to be a cowboy in a damn alley, and do I've been using this method for years now, and so far it's succeeded in at least making these selfish morons realize something is terribly wrong, as clearly they don't understand language)... and Dear_one, unless bikes can fit there then no, I don't think it'd be worse...

And I'm just saying it worked... literally, hasn't been near for weeks ago. So anyone who thinks as*holes should win F*CK YOU!


You're like Gods unintended comedian. Your behaviour to others going about their daily business is like something from Monty Python. The more you react the more they'll goad you into reacting if they associate you with a game of catch the bottle. We all knew this one kid who used to love annoying the village loon. Every few streets has one. Don't try to turn into that person otherwise every kid with a two stroke will heading your way for a laugh with their friends at your expense.



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You're like Gods unintended comedian. Your behaviour to others going about their daily business is like something from Monty Python. The more you react the more they'll goad you into reacting if they associate you with a game of catch the bottle. We all knew this one kid who used to love annoying the village loon. Every few streets has one. Don't try to turn into that person otherwise every kid with a two stroke will heading your way for a laugh with their friends at your expense.


No, apparently the OP is not having any more trouble from the motorcycle people because he threw bottles at them. So, moral of this thread is to throw bottles at anyone who is upsetting you and they will go away.
*Puts an empty bottle in my bag ready to throw at the annoying colleague at work on Monday*


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09 Jan 2021, 2:13 pm

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I hate noise too. Some noise is so distracting it drives me crazy. Our upstairs neighbour makes a lot of noise, such as frequently moving her furniture across the room every day. Why? God knows. It hurts my ears. She must know that moving heavy furniture around on hard floor can be heard below. But she does it anyway. Do I go throwing bottles at her? No. I just have to live with it. I do have earplugs handy, although the insides of my ears are sore from overusing earplugs, and no, I am not switching to noise-cancelling headphones because they make me look and feel really autistic.



Have you tried talking to your neighbor?
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I think it's unnecessary to move furniture everyday unless they have some form of OCD.


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I hate noise too. Some noise is so distracting it drives me crazy. Our upstairs neighbour makes a lot of noise, such as frequently moving her furniture across the room every day. Why? God knows. It hurts my ears. She must know that moving heavy furniture around on hard floor can be heard below. But she does it anyway. Do I go throwing bottles at her? No. I just have to live with it. I do have earplugs handy, although the insides of my ears are sore from overusing earplugs, and no, I am not switching to noise-cancelling headphones because they make me look and feel really autistic.



Have you tried talking to your neighbor?
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I think it's unnecessary to move furniture everyday unless they have some form of OCD.


She does have OCD. My boyfriend reckons she's an obsessive cleaner, as she's always vacuuming. We've talked to her about it before but she doesn't listen. I suppose you can't stop an OCD person from doing OCD things.


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09 Jan 2021, 2:47 pm

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The way some NTs minds work is if you react to their ignorance (for example, by throwing bottles at them), the more they're going to do it.



This is a human thing. People are more likely do to things when you are a jerk about it. That is why being polite goes a long way. People are less likely to do it more when you are polite about it. I know when people are rude with me about something, I feel less likely to do their demand.

There are so many privileges when you are polite and nice. Those who think they are entitled to being rude wonder why many people are so rude out there. They don't realize maybe the problem is them. Karen, it is people reacting to your rudeness.


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You're like Gods unintended comedian. Your behaviour to others going about their daily business is like something from Monty Python. The more you react the more they'll goad you into reacting if they associate you with a game of catch the bottle. We all knew this one kid who used to love annoying the village loon. Every few streets has one. Don't try to turn into that person otherwise every kid with a two stroke will heading your way for a laugh with their friends at your expense.


No, apparently the OP is not having any more trouble from the motorcycle people because he threw bottles at them. So, moral of this thread is to throw bottles at anyone who is upsetting you and they will go away.
*Puts an empty bottle in my bag ready to throw at the annoying colleague at work on Monday*


Why empty? Fill it with cement. In work I have plenty of sledge hammers, spanners, steel beams and angle grinders to throw at people I dislike.



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Weirdness wrote:
F*ck everyone who thinks I should be a victim! F*ck you pieces of s**t!

Only a few who tried to be understanding. madbutnotmad explained it (and you mention I should explain how I'm sensitive? But here I thought it's a forum for people who are sensitive... my bad; also, misophonia is usually to ordinary sounds, not the worst noise possible), but I'm still not sure why on earth I shouldn't react against the terror you did describe (also, the bottles are plastic, so not a high chance of severe injuries, but if he dropped off the bike then it's not my damn fault he wants to be a cowboy in a damn alley, and do I've been using this method for years now, and so far it's succeeded in at least making these selfish morons realize something is terribly wrong, as clearly they don't understand language)... and Dear_one, unless bikes can fit there then no, I don't think it'd be worse...

And I'm just saying it worked... literally, hasn't been near for weeks ago. So anyone who thinks as*holes should win F*CK YOU!


You're like Gods unintended comedian. Your behaviour to others going about their daily business is like something from Monty Python. The more you react the more they'll goad you into reacting if they associate you with a game of catch the bottle. We all knew this one kid who used to love annoying the village loon. Every few streets has one. Don't try to turn into that person otherwise every kid with a two stroke will heading your way for a laugh with their friends at your expense.



Sounds like middle school stuff.


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