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18 Nov 2005, 2:38 am

I think this does improve with time.

However, I still tend to think in this way. If I see someone do something that seems very rude or dishonest, I will not trust them. The context is relatively unimportant. If they bend the rules in one direction, chances are they will do it again.

I also have a hearty dislike for anyone (especially men) who is mean to animals, particularly if they are nonchalant and unthinking about it. I can see if a dog is trying to bite your ankle and you kick at it. But a man who kicks a sleeping cat or dog off the porch because it's in his way will get absolutely no trust or respect out of me.

The way I see it is that people tend to be consistent across the board. A guy who is rude to a waitress will be rude to his wife or girlfriend. A woman who slaps her baby in the store is probably even worse at home. And so on....

I do know what you mean, though, because my oldest son has some definite aspie traits, and he has said similar things to me. I point out that we all have faults, that yes, what I did was inappropriate or wrong, and that I'm not perfect. Then I point out that he has also done such things and isn't perfect either, that it is an ongoing struggle to be a decent person but we do the best we can and try better the next day.



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18 Nov 2005, 4:50 am

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Happeh, I am female and quite good in science, thank you.

I'm also horrible at what you call "homemaking".

Home un-making (as in making it worse) would be a more appropriate term IMHO ;)



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18 Nov 2005, 8:06 am

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You know it is normal for boys to be rigid don't you? That is why boys are for science and girls are for homemaking.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's funny...I mean, that it hilarious! You ought to be on Def Comedy Jam and do stand-up. By the way, you can also use in your comedy routine that my mother was about as good a homemaker and "soft" as those Vikings in that Capital One commercial.....and I'm not that much better.






God I hope you were kidding. 8O


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18 Nov 2005, 9:06 am

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Happeh, I am female and quite good in science, thank you.

I'm also horrible at what you call "homemaking".

Home un-making (as in making it worse) would be a more appropriate term IMHO ;)


Hmmmm... so you've seen my apartment... :lol:


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18 Nov 2005, 12:16 pm

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You know it is normal for boys to be rigid don't you? That is why boys are for science and girls are for homemaking.

Many people will take offense at that statement. In today's world, common sense about people is the enemy. People are taught that technology means they are no longer human and don't have to pay attention to any of those old human wisdoms.


I don't know if there is any truth to that statement, but it is known that boys and girls do learn differently and in the early years, their brains develop differently. In early years, female brains tend to develop more in the areas that process language and boys develop more in the areas that develop math and spacial relations. They eventually catch up to each other, but still, they are different.

There's some good info here on that topic: http://www.singlesexschools.org

There's also a book called "The War Against Boys" that is worth reading on this topic.

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I read that you are upset about the boy. I am bothered that you appear to have put him in this box that says "Aspergers - he acts weird and needs help". I know lots of regular guys that said awful things to their parents. I don't think they even invented the word Aspergers yet. They used to call that normal child behavior
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That is true too, but if the boy has been given an offical diagnosis by a physician, it needs to be handled as such.

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That is why young boys and teenagers are such trouble. They are 95% hard. They are not old enough for the balancing process with females to have taken place yet. I don't think that would have anything to do with your son being described as "aspergers". I think he just has a young hard normal boy brain. When he gets older, after exposure to females at school and elsewhere, then he will develop the fluidity you describe in a normal way.


I also wonder if this person has a daughter near the same age. I know having a sister a year and a half older than I did cause some trouble between me and my parents. My sister went on a different path than I when it came to activities, and that caused alot of problems for us. They expected since we were a little less than a couple of years apart, how I developed would pretty much follow her but when it didn't, my parents assumed something was wrong with me and I caught alot of trouble because of it.

Boys and girls are different no question about it. Different does not mean one is inferior to the other. I dealt with that too, with my parents subtlely and sometimes blatantly sending me the message I was inferior to my sister because I wasn't like her.

All children say bad things about their parents at one time or another, that is normal. It is just something they hopefully grow out of.


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18 Nov 2005, 12:21 pm

*coughHappehisatrollcough*


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18 Nov 2005, 4:55 pm

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My son has written his side of the story (and he especially enjoyed all the challenges to my perspective that you posted). He is not quite finished and will post tomorrow (under my name). So stay tuned.

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Perhaps he can have his own screen name here, it may make it clearer for us who is posting. It will also make it easier should he choose to post in the Young people's forums while you may want to post in the Parent's forum as well. I cannot speak for the others, but I have difficulty with knowing whom I'm addressing in shared accounts.


CDRHOM,

Yes, I agree. You can end up reading all the way through and then realize it was someone else talking. So I'll have him choose his own screen name.

I posted my original question in the General Section because I was interested in learning and hearing the perspective of people who might have similar issues. (Notice how I avoided the labeling, here. I hate labeling people.)

Note to Bee Bee,
Thank you, Bee Bee, for those directions about how to do the quotes. It is quite simple, I see.

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18 Nov 2005, 5:27 pm

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I am AS, and I have a hard time trusting a person when I find that they are dishonest. My motto has always been if a person lies to me once, they will do it again. I dont know if that has to do with being AS or not. I have a difficult time with the "grey areas" when it comes to wrong and right. I have always thought of the Law as an absolute. When I have seen someone break the law, I find it difficult to trust that person again. I have a few co-workers that have cheated on spouces, and have told me so. I dont trust them anymore. I would imagine the same kind of mindset is at work with your son. I bet, that he sees books as an almost holy thing, and to damage one, well that might strike him as unforgivable. I was brought up to cherish (and never ever write in) books. When I got to college and my used texts had notes in the margins, well that blew me away! Needless to say, I eventually got used to it, and even highlighted some myself.
I think, perhaps, some of the unable to trust feelings you son has for that friend may be because his mind cannot determine emotions and non-verbal communication as easily as an NT can. And because of that, the only thing his mind has to use to process interactions is accual behavior. I dont know if that made ANY sense, but its my theroy on why I have a hard time with people.
It helped me to talk to someone, perhaps that might help your son too. I do wish you the best with it though.


Ladysmokeater,

That is very interesting to read your perspective, and helps me.

Tony Atwood wrote on his website that these kinds of children value “rules” more than they value (or perhaps understand) loyalty. But if a person values rules more than they value their connection to other people, it is a recipe for disaster or at least for divorce. But I think it’s even beyond valuing—In every atom of my body I know my mother is my mother and we are connected and even with our neighborhood friend—because of all of the interactions with her over the past three years we have known her—even the cells on my skin know this is a good person and any infraction that she might have done was quite human.


P.S. I wouldn't completely trust anyone who cheated on his/her spouse, either. After all, that person is on a daily basis lying to the people who are closest to him/her. So, I would say, your antenna is excellent here (or you are a good judge of character).
I described the info in the P.S. better, but I lost it when I tried to put another quote in this post--so it is not quite so simple, Bee Bee.



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19 Nov 2005, 11:42 am

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I posted my original question in the General Section because I was interested in learning and hearing the perspective of people who might have similar issues. (Notice how I avoided the labeling, here. I hate labeling people.)
*grins*

Come for the one question, stay for the cameraderie. My comment reflected my hope that you will stick around and get comfortable. As the teenage years roll in, it is not going to get any easier; having a support group never hurts, and these are good people.


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19 Nov 2005, 11:58 am

I pretty much trust anybody. Even those I'm not supposed to trust. Doh!


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19 Nov 2005, 11:23 pm

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Come for the one question, stay for the cameraderie. My comment reflected my hope that you will stick around and get comfortable. As the teenage years roll in, it is not going to get any easier; having a support group never hurts, and these are good people.


Thank you CDRhom, but I also understand that the regular forums are a special insider place for many of you, and as an outsider (parent) want to tread carefully.

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19 Nov 2005, 11:30 pm

Our Parents Forum is just exactly that. A forum for Parents of Aspies. Although I suppose as we get more parents who are Aspies that bias will change.

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19 Nov 2005, 11:49 pm

[quote="Jetson"][/quote] Aspies and Auties, on the other hand, tend to experience more stress (due to our cognitive and social difficulties) and don't dissipate it very quickly through changes in task or thought pattern. Stimming provides both a physical outlet (ie: burning the adrenaline) and a mental focal point, but there are times when the stress accumulates too quickly. There is a point where the stress starts to feed on itself (the presence of excessive stress causes further stress) and the result is a meltdown. You can think of it as the mental equivalent of vomitting - it's an unstoppable response to an unmanageable situation during which we let all the stress out in one big purge. All you can really do with someone who's having a melt-down is try to keep them from hurting themselves (or others). It's better to avoid them in the first place.

Jetson,
It seems that stimming is a healthy outlet. I sometimes overeat, and that's not very healthy. I didn't realize that what my son likes to do when he gets home from school could be called "stimming." He likes to twirl around and make sounds. He used to do a lot of dramatic play when he was little, but I am not sure that this is the same. I just know that it is something he needs to do to burn off steam and it seems harmless.

He told me the other day when he hears certain words he goes into meltdown, and then he cried in the middle of a meltdown, "Why am I like this?" (I thought that was really healthy, actually, because it's the part of the personality which can step back and observe--and that is a healthy part to develop). We are going to do super sessions with the therapist this week, a two hour session for family and then in a few days another session just for him.
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20 Nov 2005, 12:24 am

I used to be very rigid.
I wish I could tell you what changed, but suffice to say I doubt that your son will be this way forever.


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20 Nov 2005, 12:56 am

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Our Parents Forum is just exactly that. A forum for Parents of Aspies. Although I suppose as we get more parents who are Aspies that bias will change.

:)

The Parents Forum can sometimes be very sad.

I will and do switch to the Parents' Forum, but (I mean this in a positive way) you guys crack me up. I love humor, quick wit, creative and original thinking which many of you have in spades.

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20 Nov 2005, 1:32 am

No, no, no!! !! I didn't mean to imply that you should not post here. Since it seems like you are new to forums in general, I was trying to explain that you can post on both/many/any/all of the boards that have topics that interest you, or that you may have some insight about.

*sighs*

Bear with me, this is difficult for me too.

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