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28 Sep 2008, 11:23 am

It just go's to prove that even someone who's autistic, is aware of the world around him. I am amazed
people label Obama as black, when he's mixed race, I think he brings the best of both races.



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28 Sep 2008, 11:25 am

I don't think Obama being black makes HIM special (other than obviously being good at politics); it's more like a good sign for the civil-rights movement. Being willing to accept a black presidential candidate, and to vote for or against him based on his viewpoint and record, not his race, is a really wonderful thing. If we were still as biased as we have been, he wouldn't have made it this far because of his race. Instead, we have lots of people discussing whether or not he'd be a good president. I'd say that's progress.


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28 Sep 2008, 11:34 am

The world is in a pretty sad state if people are celebrating those who even consider basing your vote on someone's skin color rather than on the politics of what someone will do for you and your country


While Obama is the first black person to make it this far, those who know about black history and culture know he isn't the first black person to run for US president. Frederick Douglas, Jesse Jackson, and Rev. Al Sharpton all beat him to it. Nor is Palin the first female to be on a presidential ticket. In fact, there were even black females running for presidential nominations in the past

This site only lists the females but it gives you a good idea of what I'm talking about http://www.jofreeman.com/politics/womprez.htm


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28 Sep 2008, 11:37 am

In truth, isn't our country already screwed as it is?



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28 Sep 2008, 11:50 am

"first serious presidential candidate", though...


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28 Sep 2008, 11:51 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

The one-drop rule is a historical colloquial term in the United States that holds that a person with any trace of African ancestry is considered black unless having an alternative non-white ancestry which he or she can claim, such as Native American, Asian, Arab, or Australian aboriginal.[1] It developed most strongly out of the binary culture of long years of institutionalized slavery.

During the Black Pride era of the Civil Rights Movement, the stigma associated with sub-Saharan ancestry was turned to a socio-political advantage.

The one-drop rule and its consequences have been the subject of several works of popular culture. In the musical Show Boat, Steve, a white man who is married to a black woman, is pursued by the sheriff, who is going to arrest Steve and charge him with miscegenation. Steve pricks his wife's finger and swallows some of her blood. When the sheriff arrives, Steve asks him whether he would consider a man to be white if he had "negro blood" in him. The sheriff replies that "one drop of negro blood makes you a negro in these parts". Steve tells the sheriff that he has "more than a drop of negro blood in me". After being assured by others that Steve is telling the truth, the sheriff leaves without arresting Steve.

In the Family Guy episode "Peter Griffin: Husband, Father...Brother?," Peter discovers that he has a pre-Civil War black ancestor. Because of the one-drop rule, Peter, who has always thought of himself as white, self-identifies as black and starts to attend events that draw primarily African-American audiences.

The Public Enemy song "Fear of a Black Planet," from the album of the same name, neatly summarizes this phenomenon with the lines: "Black man, black woman, black baby / White man, white woman, white baby / White man, black woman, black baby / Black man, white woman, black baby."

The Pencil test
During the system of apartheid in South Africa, one drop of sub-Saharan blood was not enough to be considered black. South African law maintained a major distinction between those who were black and those who were coloured. When it was unclear from a person's physical appearance which racial classification they belonged to, the pencil test was employed. This involved inserting a pencil in a person's hair to determine if the hair was kinky enough for the pencil to get stuck. If the pencil remained stuck in a person's hair, the person was "black."


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28 Sep 2008, 12:18 pm

Roseduelist wrote:
In truth, isn't our country already screwed as it is?
Maybe. But it can't hurt to try. If we have any chance at all, this is our last hope.



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28 Sep 2008, 12:31 pm

Well the one drop rule should apply for everyone, because there are black genes
in alot of white americans, I am sure there is at least a pint of black blood in me,
I am a Metis Indian, and metis means mixed blood, and its something I am very
proud of. :)



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28 Sep 2008, 12:34 pm

I find this story VERY over blown.



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28 Sep 2008, 12:42 pm

spudnik wrote:
Well the one drop rule should apply for everyone, because there are black genes
in alot of white americans, I am sure there is at least a pint of black blood in me,
I am a Metis Indian, and metis means mixed blood, and its something I am very
proud of. :)



Knowing my family's geneaology its extremely unlikely that I have a drop of black blood in me as my ancestors came from areas where there were unlikely to be any black people up to the point they left and I know the family history for the past 100 years when they were in America. That rule would only apply to those whose families have been in the us for a quitea few generations, and even then not always.


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28 Sep 2008, 12:48 pm

I think we have a drop or two of Native American blood, just because my grandmother's line goes back about 300 years, and because of the way she looked. (That goofy smile, like Loretta Lynn and Cher.)



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28 Sep 2008, 4:49 pm

spudnik wrote:
It just go's to prove that even someone who's autistic, is aware of the world around him. I am amazed
people label Obama as black, when he's mixed race, I think he brings the best of both races.


You know, you just did something few have! ONE STATEMENT! ONE PERSON! You insulted TWO races!



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28 Sep 2008, 4:56 pm

Triangular_Trees wrote:
The world is in a pretty sad state if people are celebrating those who even consider basing your vote on someone's skin color rather than on the politics of what someone will do for you and your country


While Obama is the first black person to make it this far, those who know about black history and culture know he isn't the first black person to run for US president. Frederick Douglas, Jesse Jackson, and Rev. Al Sharpton all beat him to it. Nor is Palin the first female to be on a presidential ticket. In fact, there were even black females running for presidential nominations in the past

This site only lists the females but it gives you a good idea of what I'm talking about http://www.jofreeman.com/politics/womprez.htm


He isn't the first black to make it THIS far. He is only the first black in a MAJOR party to. As I said, Palin, to the best of my knowledge, is the THIRD woman, on a major ticket. Hillary was second. Geraldine was the first. Hillary would have been the first woman on a major ticket to run for president, if I am right.

Frankly, I don't care if the person is black or female. I just don't want them to be racist or sexist. I want someone that wants to respect and protect the US way of life.



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28 Sep 2008, 4:59 pm

I seems that the "American Way of Life" is perceived very very differently in the personages of Palin-McCain and Obama-Biden tickets.

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28 Sep 2008, 5:13 pm

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28 Sep 2008, 5:25 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

The one-drop rule is a historical colloquial term in the United States that holds that a person with any trace of African ancestry is considered black unless having an alternative non-white ancestry which he or she can claim, such as Native American, Asian, Arab, or Australian aboriginal.[1] It developed most strongly out of the binary culture of long years of institutionalized slavery.


Apparently, from what I have heard, and the article, the one drop is to get rights under the law. I don't think people consider one with less than 1/16 of a given race to be that race. Even a black would have gone 4 generations without showing any sign of being black, so they likely aren't, in any way that would encourage racism.