Taboo thread #1: A possible theory about the nature of AS.

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LePetitPrince, I'm sorry, but... well, I'm laughing. I don't think you understand asperger's syndrome at all.

Here. I bolded the things that can, and often DO occur in asperger's syndrome, as well as in classic autism.

I have green eyes.....oh wait, deja vu.

blue/green.

It's not about the names of the symptoms but the severity of each symptom. Most aspies are spot as geeks/odds/quirky/non-social/weirdos by others but not disabled ....that's not the case of classic auties tho..
Classic auties have each symptom far stronger...to an abnormal level.

Egads. Lab Pet is a HFA (Autie) - check out what I do. There is overlap between HFA/AS - this is a given. I am 100% autistic and I do ok.....disabled? By who's standard?

I have a disorder: Autism. Disorder is a state of entropy. Therefore, I am entropically favored. NTs are just jealous.

So there.

Just speculation, but might Hansie be restless in his grave about now? Hmm....
I have a teddy bear named Hansel (after Dr. Asperger), btw. The other named Godfried. The latter is not related to topic, but then neither is OP.

And I have green eyes.

There's a problem with your theory, as Classic Autism and Asperger's Disorder are the same disorder; you only have to go back and read both papers (Hans had people who are "LFA", as Leo had people who were verbal and "high-functioning"). Asperger's is just a nice way to say "Autism", as people automatically think someone with Autism doesn't look "normal" and will never talk at all; it's political correctness to make parents feel better for their child--it's for the parent, and also the patient when they're older (why do you think people talk about all of that Einstein and Temple drivel?).

Daniel can't wait till the label "Asperger's" is struck down.

I thought classic autism was different than regular autism.

It was in Autismx6. They only said Sarah has classic autism but they didn't say it about the other two.


My teachers even wrote in my IEP from when I was 5 "She isn't classically autistic" but wrote I have the behavior. I don't know if they were implying I was autistic but don't have classic autism or I don't have autism but act like I do.

There is also atypical autism which is PDD-NOS. But PDD-NOS doesn't always mean that.

wasn't that vice versa, Daniel


from a definite 'aspie': me neither

Robertismyname

ps: i do really really like the word aspie as a term of endearment -
far better than auti

Autistic Disorder can be called Kanner's Syndrome, Classic Autism and Early Infantile Autism; all the same thing. Kanner even wrote a paper on "high-functioning" individuals with his disorder; they worked, they drove, they lived by themselves (they all admitted that they'd never be able to get married, but that's not a "bad" thing); these people were just as "Autistic" as anyone else with his label.

These people today would have "Asperger's" (which of note, there's a very good chance that it'll be removed from the next DSM, and it'll just be ASD), even though they wouldn't meet the DSM-IV-TR criteria for Asperger's; they'd still be labelled as such by most of the world today.

I kept watching the replies and apart from one or two, all I saw were intelligent statements back up by verifiable facts, a few opinions (which were clearly labelled as such) and a few personal experiences (again, clearly labelled). All wrapped up in correct grammer with few errors. I think thats rather fantastic really.

You'd be surprised.
I've heard of classic autistics who have jobs, blah, ect.
I'm "just" asperger's. I am disabled. I can't work. I can't live on my own.

Severity of symtoms can vary all over the spectrum, and yes, I do include asperger's when I say "spectrum".

I can't even look my own mother in the eye, 99.9% of the time. I tend to get highly agitated when someone touchs me certain ways (brushing lightly, some "tickling", oh hell, anything that isn't firm, and even some firm things) because it HURTS me. So yeah, I go out of my way to avoid physical contact. Inappropriate facial expressions and emotional responses? Most of the time, I have no facial expression. Period. A "normal" smile is something that happens so rarely, it's not even funny. When it happens, it's normally forced. And even when I force it? It doesn't come out "right" half the time. People have told me it looks "ret*d", whatever they mean by that. And when it does happen without being forced? 1) I don't even know it's happening (I cannot feel smiles when they aren't forced). 2) It happens when I am NOT happy, and very often at "inappropriate" times. That's just one example of the "inappropriate facial expressions" I have. And you really shouldn't get me started on my "inappropriate emotional responses". Seriously.

Inflexibility in routines, I admit, I'm not as bad with this as some. I only have one set routine currently, however, I do hold on to this one routine with all my being. For my sanity's sake.
Repetitive movements. Ah, stimming. Well, lets see here. I rock (a lot), I bounce my leg (also a lot). I sway from side-to-side frequently. I verbal stim frequently. I crack my neck constantly (I don't even want to know what random people who see me do this as I'm walking down the street think of me.). I grind my teeth quite a bit, and bite myself. Chew on objects a lot (thus, a love and slight addiction to gum. With gum, it looks "normal". With other things [headphone cords are a fave of mine]... not so much). Oh, and hand-flapping? While not a constant of mine, I do do it.

My mom said I did not have a "delay in the development of speech" (and you know, I'm not sure I quite trust her with that one... but what can I do?), that's why I'm diagnosed with asperger's, not classic "high-functioning autism". That said, I did have lots of speech problems when I was younger, and I was in speech therapy. I still have some speech problems.

Difficulty or inability to converse. *Laughs* Well. Strangers I cannot talk to at all. Period. It makes me worry: what if a cop comes by (for, oh, I dunno. Could be for a number of reasons. Such as: my mom's boyfriend's kid gets into trouble frequently, I just look weird [a while back, some little kid at a park said I was "stoned"! And I couldn't even talk, to say to the kid, "Hey, no, I don't do drugs. Never have, never will. I'm not stoned; just autistic. Do you know what autism is, kid?"], I freak out/have a meltdown in public, I space out a bit and act "weird" while I do it, ect, ect.) and my mom or someone who knows me well enough to explain me to the cop isn't around? I wouldn't be able to talk to the cop, and I don't think that would be a... good thing. And, yeah, I also cannot speak to people I know sometimes. Which usally sets off a meltdown.

Unusual interests with certain objects... while I can't list too many off the top of my head, I do have some. One example is fans. Not the paper ones (though I do like those too.); the electronic ones. You know, the ones with the "blades". I've been obsessed with those things since I was a little kid. I can stare at/into one for hours on end. I like to flick the blades around when the fan is off. I like to talk and makes noises into the fan; the noise distortion never fails to amuse me (and it is also something I can do for hours on end.). I like to stick objects into fans and listen to the noise it makes. I remember when my friend toke apart her fan to clean it out: I was so delighted!

And as for "onset of at least one of the above systems before the age of three": my mom knew there was something "different" (well, actually she used the word "wrong", but I see nothing wrong with being on the spectrum. So I'll say "different".), since pretty much the begining. Oh, I was the first born, and I was definatly the problem baby/kid/teen/(and now) adult. When she had me... she told me "I used to think I was the world's worst mom: I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong...". I was the baby who just did NOT want to eat (I didn't like the texture and sensations of baby food. Yick.). I was the kid who always had to wear her shirts inside out (I couldn't stand the tags. These days I can just cut them out, but I couldn't do that back then, or I wouldn't be able to tell which was the front and which was the back.). I can go on and on.
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And that's just me. I know there are aspies who have little to no difficulties. I know there are aspies who have a little more difficulty than a "little". I know there are aspies (and I am one of these) whose only reason they weren't diagnosed with classic "high-functioning autism", is merely because they didn't have a speech delay. And hell, I know there are people labeled "aspie" who really should have a different diagnoses (like maybe PDD-NOS).






(And sorry for any bad spelling erros that may have occured. I haven't gotten any sleep yet.)

Last edited by BelindatheNobody on 14 Oct 2008, 5:32 am, edited 1 time in total.

http://thiswayoflife.org/blog/?cat=28

LPP, how can you expect any passable result when your hypothesis is clearly built upon a foundation of plainly wrong "factoids"?

A paradigm;

LPP: The earth is flat! The earth is flat!!
Everybody else: Why? What makes you say that?
LPP: 'cause I don't want to think that it might be round!!

Somebody, please, play my theme music - I'll fade out now... roll credits...

And I don't understand why you just linked that.
I read Joel's blog. And yes, I've already read both entries in catogory #28.
....I don't think you understand them though. I don't see why else you would have linked that. Maybe you should re-read them...

Dear BelindatheNobody, most Psychiatrics consider that the only difference between AS and Autism is speech delay , I think that the difference is much more than that and it's not necessarly just speech delay.

If you can't look at you own mother 99% of times , having great difficulties in having jobs , if you stare on a specific object for hours ,if you can't talk to strangers AT all , infinite stimming ....then that means one thing: You are a misdiagnosed classic HF autie! There's no other way to explain it ...the inexistance of speech delay doesn't automatically means that you are aspie, not at all. You fit the classic autism description 100% and not asperger , your exprience is the same smilair experience by classic auties and not exactly of those with asperger, Period.

Psychiatry is so subjective and so that's why it's so biased.