Researching autistic asortative mating

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17 Jul 2006, 7:30 am

And obviously, under these circumstance, the determinant is more likely environmental than any mythic genetics.


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17 Jul 2006, 9:29 am

Aaronagassi wrote:
And obviously, under these circumstance, the determinant is more likely environmental than any mythic genetics.


I don't get the logic of that. In fact I'd say there was a lot more evidence to say Aspergers is all genetics and nothing else. In that two aspie parents are extremely likely to get an aspie child or an aspie child is extremely likely to have two aspie parents. No environmental stuff in common.



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17 Jul 2006, 10:59 am

it could be either or a mixture of both surely? it would be clearer if aspie children of aspie parents brought up by an NT couple, and vice versa, were included in the study. this could rule out or confirm an environmental factor.



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17 Jul 2006, 11:51 am

rdos, there's a software called SPSS, it's a bit daunting/intimidating at first, but it's the best one for statistics.

Newer versions are more user friendly, and have "wizards" to guide you in the process.



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17 Jul 2006, 12:28 pm

Occam's razor dictates that anything that could be environmental probably is. Because emotional and mental state are always reflected neurochemically, but the reverse is the exception, and usually quite distinct, as in puberty and menopause. Indeed, the real genetic research has only begun discovering the genes that have to do with the ability to encode from experience. Genes for psychiatric or cognitive differences such as Schizophrenia remain nothing but circular question begging supposition.


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17 Jul 2006, 12:32 pm

rdos I've done something in the romatic forum that's like what you're talking about doing the mating. I started off with what men or women find attractive in the opposite sex.


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18 Jul 2006, 3:06 am

computerlove wrote:
rdos, there's a software called SPSS, it's a bit daunting/intimidating at first, but it's the best one for statistics.

Newer versions are more user friendly, and have "wizards" to guide you in the process.


Yes, I know, but I bet it cannot handle question grouping and comparing results of questions from different quizes and so on.

I use MVSP for PCA. I first used the evaluation version, but later bought a license because I liked it. I think it fits my needs for the moment.



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18 Jul 2006, 3:11 am

peebo wrote:
it could be either or a mixture of both surely? it would be clearer if aspie children of aspie parents brought up by an NT couple, and vice versa, were included in the study. this could rule out or confirm an environmental factor.


Unfortunately, I have such a example. Our youngest son, now 2 years old, have been brought up by NTs. Needless to say, he has not become NT because of that, but he has more (environmental) problems than any of our other children had at the same age. No doubt the NTs that placed him there will never admit their failure.



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18 Jul 2006, 3:14 am

TigerFire wrote:
rdos I've done something in the romatic forum that's like what you're talking about doing the mating. I started off with what men or women find attractive in the opposite sex.


For best results, it should be video-sequences of dating scenes. :D



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18 Jul 2006, 3:24 am

rdos wrote:
peebo wrote:
it could be either or a mixture of both surely? it would be clearer if aspie children of aspie parents brought up by an NT couple, and vice versa, were included in the study. this could rule out or confirm an environmental factor.


Unfortunately, I have such a example. Our youngest son, now 2 years old, have been brought up by NTs. Needless to say, he has not become NT because of that, but he has more (environmental) problems than any of our other children had at the same age. No doubt the NTs that placed him there will never admit their failure.

Of course, science remains rightly skeptical of just such anecdotal evidence. Alas, however, I doubt that much serious refutable research is underway.


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18 Jul 2006, 9:20 am

rdos wrote:
Unfortunately, I have such a example. Our youngest son, now 2 years old, have been brought up by NTs. Needless to say, he has not become NT because of that, but he has more (environmental) problems than any of our other children had at the same age. No doubt the NTs that placed him there will never admit their failure.


that is unfortunate, i'm sorry to hear it. i hope things work out ok in the end.



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21 Jul 2006, 5:49 am

For playing around with faces, you could try the "Ultimate Flash Face", at http://flashface.ctapt.de/

Not a perfect solution, it's apparently used for making composite drawings of Russian criminals, but at least it's free.

There's also the wonderful character creation system from The Sims 2, which lets you create faces by setting various sliders to change the size and shape of various facial features. The faces are slightly cartoonish and the animated expressions are usually ghastly, but it is in 3D, easy to play with, and reasonably realistic. (My biggest problem with it is the one-size-fits-all generic athletic bodies... too bad those can't be adjusted like the faces.)




In any event, I'd be interested in learning more about this research.

I do know that, at least for me, the standard supermodel look is not particularly attractive and, for some reason, somewhat creepy, though I can never really put my finger on why. I can only conclude that my standards of what is attractive are different from most other people, and beyond that I'm almost certain that I react to a completely different set of cues from other people - I've always thought of these cues as "even", "quiet", "competant", and "reasonable" (as in "thank goodness, I'm actually working with a reasonable girl, for a change! I'll give her two months, at the longest, before they find a way to get rid of her and replace her with some sort of worthless, stupid, incompetant, raving nut....")

I'd never thought of it this way before, but maybe it's a matter less of what someone looks or acts like, than what they DON'T look or act like, that I find attractive? (I'll try that on and give it some thought for a while, and see if it still seems to makes sense, since I need to catch up on a lot of sleep right now....)