Mother Strangles Austistic Son

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01 Jul 2011, 7:50 pm

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It's not unusual for parents who murder disabled children to get a slap on the wrist, comparatively speaking. This is a bit blatantly so, but not new.

Definitely not new. In Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle refers to the ancient greek practice of throwing "malformed" babies onto the rocks, an early form of eugenics through infanticide.

I realize in retrospect that I may have come off as insensitive or callous:

Actually, one of the most frustrating things I have repeatedly come across are cases where parents murder their disabled children. Some of them are really horrifically bad and few are ever pushed to the point this woman was (and I admit I have little sympathy for her once she murdered her child).

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01 Jul 2011, 9:42 pm

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Freaney must be supervised by the probation service, attend mental health meetings, live in approved accommodation and not have contact with children under 18 without supervision.

Hardly 'walking free'. I think this is a just outcome and that the risk she presents can be managed without a custodial sentence.

they should execute her IMO. the whole argument is BS. what next? we give ghetto thugs a free pass to killing because they grew up poor and were traumatized? she should be in the needle chair.

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01 Jul 2011, 9:45 pm

BS, it's NOT understandable! I can't believe how many people are allowed to murder their autistic children and get away with it. So now any parent that wants to murder their autistic child will walk. :roll:

There was a man who murdered his straight A aspie child too and oh poor dad. He suffered enough too...

Did Susan Smith or the other mothers who killed their normal children walk free and told they suffered enough since their children were dead? I'm tired of this sympathy for murderers routine. OH my autistic child puts me through hell! No empathy for the child at all! It's all about the parent. It's BS!

...AND people wonder why people with autism are bullied constantly! It's because when people read these stories that it's okay for parents to MURDER their autistic children that it means people with autism don't have the same human rights and therefore it's okay to treat us however they want including your children.

To anyone who sympathises with this murderer, if you have kids I wonder if you think they are better off suffering the same fate and if you should be set free.

ENOUGH OF THE POOR PITIFUL ME AS A PARENT ROUTINE. It's shown all over the media. Does anyone not give a f**k about the children and what they deal with?

Hitler even though dead is still alive in everyone who believes in this survival of the fittest routine. Yes, I think some of you outta be ashamed of yourselves and if you think of your own autistic children as better off dead, give them to someone who will care for them properly even if you are a control freak and think nobody else can "put up" with them.

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02 Jul 2011, 12:09 am

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I apologise for what I said earlier in the thread. I just got upset and didn't think about the implications of what happened here.
I think this whole thing is pretty damn sad. That woman is now going to be tortured by what she did for the rest of her life. I felt pretty angry after first reading it but after some thought I think I should be more angry at the police, and social services and other organizations who did nothing to stop/help this woman and her child. And, then David Cameron wants to spend less on public services. What a heartless toff!

I understand your point, but she still shouldn't have done that. There are people I would love to strangle (and with reason too), but I can't do that. It's just not right, no matter how right it may be (yes, I know that makes no sense, but you know what I mean).

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02 Jul 2011, 2:14 am

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The jury heard how Glen could walk, run and ride a bike and communicated through a computer by tapping on symbols on the screen. But he was not toilet trained and still wore nappies.
Prosecutor Greg Taylor QC said: "Glen was a young boy who suffered from severe autism - he was diagnosed when he was aged four.
"He was generally fit and well and had a normal life expectancy but he was totally dependent on adult care.
"He needed help, dressing, washing, brushing his teeth and feeding."

Sounds a lot like my boy

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As she was being arrested, Freaney said: "He was laughing when I was strangling him. That is when I knew he was happy.

I'd rather saw my own legs off I think.

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02 Jul 2011, 2:59 am

I agree with sweetleaf that she has a psychiatric condition and that she poses a threat to her other children. At the end of the day she harmed her autistic son - because he was autistic. What people don't seem to mention is that be killing herself she leaves her other 3 children to fend for themselves.

She needs to understand that she cannot murder a child in cold blood (and brutally) and go back to society, others thinking the same thoughts need to know they can't kill their children if they don't feel like looking after them anymore.

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02 Jul 2011, 3:22 am

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Yes, I agree with all of this. I am having trouble determining what makes this particular case different from all of the other particular cases. I mean, even the abusive father and other issues? There are resources to get help for dealing with these things.

That's not to say there aren't failures here beyond the mother, but she did have options for her autistic child, and as pointed out, what about her other three children?

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02 Jul 2011, 4:56 am

Verdandi wrote:

I mean, even the abusive father and other issues? There are resources to get help for dealing with these things.

She was clearly externalizing her own problems on the child. The 11 yr old boy was the harmless victim of his mother's inability to cope with her abusive husband and carry her family as a single mother. The mother is the victim of her circumstance and clearly an underlying psychiatric problem and lack of a coping mechanism. In the end you are correct Verdandi, did the judiciary make a clear distinction between this case and others like it?? just feeling she suffered enough is not a good enough reason??

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That's not to say there aren't failures here beyond the mother, but she did have options for her autistic child, and as pointed out, what about her other three children?

There is a complication here in that the the three remaining children may want their mother back. The needs of the children may have to be taken into account. Where is King Solomon when you need him!

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02 Jul 2011, 6:40 am

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There was a man who murdered his straight A aspie child too and oh poor dad. He suffered enough too...

Did Susan Smith or the other mothers who killed their normal children walk free and told they suffered enough since their children were dead? I'm tired of this sympathy for murderers routine. OH my autistic child puts me through hell! No empathy for the child at all! It's all about the parent. It's BS!

...AND people wonder why people with autism are bullied constantly! It's because when people read these stories that it's okay for parents to MURDER their autistic children that it means people with autism don't have the same human rights and therefore it's okay to treat us however they want including your children.

To anyone who sympathises with this murderer, if you have kids I wonder if you think they are better off suffering the same fate and if you should be set free.

ENOUGH OF THE POOR PITIFUL ME AS A PARENT ROUTINE. It's shown all over the media. Does anyone not give a f**k about the children and what they deal with?

Hitler even though dead is still alive in everyone who believes in this survival of the fittest routine. Yes, I think some of you outta be ashamed of yourselves and if you think of your own autistic children as better off dead, give them to someone who will care for them properly even if you are a control freak and think nobody else can "put up" with them.

Did you even read the article?

She didn't kill her son because she was fed up of him and wanted to be set free ffs! She was severely mentally ill, she was beaten by her husband, and she wanted her child to die happy rather than have a horrible life growing up, which he probably would have had once she killed herself.

She was mentally ill, so she couldn't be found guilty of murder as she had diminished responsibility at the time. There was no point sentencing her to prison for manslaughter, as she'd already spent the majority of any sentence in custody. The judge found her guilty of manslaughter, she'd going to be given help with her mental illnesses, and she won't be left unsupervised with a child again.

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02 Jul 2011, 9:22 am

Cases like this are just so tragic and although it's easy for most people to just say she's 'a heartless, evil murderer' it is so important to look at what lead up to this. She was mentally ill. I've been mentally ill. I know what its like to feel as if you've 'lost your mind'. It's the worst thing in the world.

To those saying there's help out there. Yes there is. If you know how to access it. Not all mothers of SN children can be supermums like the ones on the TV. In my own case the government didn't think I required a social worker even when I was put into care! She's probably even said to people how distressing things were for her and no one ever takes these things seriously until something like this happens.

I have to say although I don't believe jail is the right place for her, I am surprised she hasn't been sectioned under the mental health act. Then again the way this government treats it's disabled people and their families at the moment am I really surprised? :roll:

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02 Jul 2011, 9:58 am

cyberdad wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

I mean, even the abusive father and other issues? There are resources to get help for dealing with these things.

Verdandi wrote:

That's not to say there aren't failures here beyond the mother, but she did have options for her autistic child, and as pointed out, what about her other three children?

There is a complication here in that the the three remaining children may want their mother back. The needs of the children may have to be taken into account. Where is King Solomon when you need him!

Like someone else pointed out earlier in the thread prison isn't for retribution but rather to keep society safe from crime. I don't think spending money on locking this woman up is a good way to go just to teach her a lesson. I find it unlikely she'll repeat the offense. She's too old to have more kids and her remaining 3 are all adults or in their late teens. All having a form of ASD, or something related to it, which makes me wonder if she herself wasn't on the spectrum. She also was caring for her elderly mother on top of all this. This was not a case of a socialite mother throwing her autistic kid of a bridge of smothering them and then acting as if now they can go back to their lives burden free. Those cases are about selfish horrible mothers that deserve to be severely punished. This case is quite a lot different.

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02 Jul 2011, 10:42 am

However complex the case there are some simple things,

1. However troublesome the child's condition was she could always have handed him over to the state for care if she was unable to care for her son.

2. If she entered a mental state where she thought it was reasonable and acceptable to kill her child then whats to stop it happening again. I think if was mentally ill then she may well need locking up in a high security mental hospital for her own protection and for the protection of society.

3. If she is too sane for Broadmore then prison is a reasonable place to send her, if I was to kill off the some tiresome person (how about a neurobigot who gets on my nerves) becuase that person irks me and drives me around the bend then I think that society would say that the best place for me would be HMP xxxx (gaol) not walking the streets.

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02 Jul 2011, 11:15 am

TheygoMew wrote:

Uhh just a suggestion but maybe you should read some of the posts before this......there is more to the story then the mom killing her child out of hate. I am not defending anyone killing their child but there are a lot of other factors in this story that need to be taken into account. I really do not think this particular instance points to any 'conspiricy to kill all autistic people.

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02 Jul 2011, 11:21 am

cyberdad wrote:

Well I don't think it was in cold blood, in my first post in this thread I kind of did but since reading on and such.......I think it was wrong of her to kill her child but there are a lot of other factors like the abusive husband, her mental state I think it was a little more then a lazy selfish mom just not wanting to take care of her kid anymore.

Also I get the impression the other two kids are grown up.......but yeah to simplify its a very messed up situation and what she did was wrong, but all the factors have to be considered.

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02 Jul 2011, 11:24 am

Very sad. It's awful, it's scary, it's wrong.

But I can understand it. From what I have heard, austism and ASD is under-resourced and misunderstood in every country of the world. Carers are left to cope on their own. And people do have a breaking point.

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02 Jul 2011, 2:05 pm

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She didn't kill him because he drove her round the bend.

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